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Transfer speculation

BrainOfLevy said:
Getting quite annoyed with these Emirates Marketing Project stories. Emirates Marketing Project 'confident' of signing Sanchez. Emirates Marketing Project 'confident' of signing Walker. Who talks like that? Who puts these stories out there about other club's players? Who are they trying to fool? Weird.
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Brainoflevy nothing but 'confident' in his message to the world.
 
alekaras said:
Good points. Let's see, our first eleven are:

Lloris
Dier
Toby
Verts
Rose
Walker
Wanyama
Dembele
Alli
Eriksen
Kane

Subs:
Son
Winks
Lamela
Trippier
Davies
Vorm
Janssen
Wimmer
Sissoko
GKN
and the youngsters Onomah, CCV

That's 23 players, of which the first 6 subs are quality, Wimmer had a bad year but has shown he can cut it, Janssen should be much improved, and the rest are a toss-up.

So I'm not so sure we're that thin. One very good player to add to this group would help, but if you assume players will improve, the ones we considered so-so last year, might step up a la Son and Winks, giving us even more quality on the bench.

Just saying...
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Of the players above -
Swap out Sissoko for someone better who can score goals.
Swap out GKN for someone better (although that might be a bit unfair on GKN as we haven't seen much of him)
Get long term injured Lamela fit and back to where he was or if not possible replace him.

That's a decent squad.

The main point of controversy being Janssen as back up striker. But as there were times in the past when I couldn't have imagined Kane turning out to be as successful as he has been, I am loath to write off Janssen who seems to have many similar attributes.
 
ringo said:
Of the players above -
Swap out Sissoko for someone better who can score goals.
Swap out GKN for someone better (although that might be a bit unfair on GKN as we haven't seen much of him)
Get long term injured Lamela fit and back to where he was or if not possible replace him.

That's a decent squad.

The main point of controversy being Janssen as back up striker. But as there were times in the past when I couldn't have imagined Kane turning out to be as successful as he has been, I am loath to write off Janssen who seems to have many similar attributes.
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Agree

Directly upgrading Sissoko is the one key piece of business. I think creativity is more important than goals from that player though.

GKN, Janssen, Wimmer and Lamela (fitness not ability) probably deserve another year. But equally GKN and Wimmer may be pushed from beneath by Edwards and 2CV next season.
 
ringo said:
Of the players above -
Swap out Sissoko for someone better who can score goals.
Swap out GKN for someone better (although that might be a bit unfair on GKN as we haven't seen much of him)
Get long term injured Lamela fit and back to where he was or if not possible replace him.

That's a decent squad.

The main point of controversy being Janssen as back up striker. But as there were times in the past when I couldn't have imagined Kane turning out to be as successful as he has been, I am loath to write off Janssen who seems to have many similar attributes.
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Spot on for me. Not a problem of lacking quantity, but the quality delivered by some of our squad/backup players wasn't up to scratch. For quite a few of them we might see improvement in their second season, I trust Pochettino to make good decisions on who deserve that chance.

Plenty of time to make those moves where Poch wants changes.
 
DubaiSpur said:
That 'experience, stability and youth' thing is a bit of a false alley, imo. *Every* team will claim the same thing. Every one.

Mourinho has settled in at United, his players will have bought into his methods, Pogba, Martial, Rashford and Bailly are all young and will improve.
Conte has settled in at Chelsea, his players will have bought into his methods, Zouma, Batshuayi and Alonso will all improve, and they have a bajillion young players they can recall to aid them since they will all have gotten better as well.
Pep has settled in at Chelsea, his players will have bought into his methods, Stones, Jesus, Sterling and Sane will are all young and will improve.
Klopp has settled in at Liverpool, his players will have bought into his methods, Coutinho, Firminho and Mane will all improve.
Wenger has been settled in at Arsenal for a long time, but Bellerin, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Iwobi and Holding are all young and will improve by dint of experience and a winning mentality brought by their FA Cup victory.
Koeman has settled in at Everton...


...you get my point. It's not that such an effect doesn't exist, only that it doesn't exist in a vacuum, and that others have the same reasons to expect the same improvement as we do. So, really, it is standing still relative to everyone else - worse if, as I said, we swap WHL for Wembley, which will definitely bring wobbliness we didn't experience at the Lane last season.

I certainly don't think we won't sign *anyone* - it's becoming increasingly clear that we're going to be pretty much forced to be the last in line waiting until August and everyone has had their fill of the available talent. Then we can pick from what's left - and, possibly, we might have to wait even longer before moving as even clubs our size (Roma, Dortmund, Sevilla and co.) pay wages we won't and get players we can't. That seems like the pattern we're going to be forced into, and there are positives and negatives to such a reality - but it certainly doesn't mean we won't sign *anyone at all*, per se. But I don't think we can get away without signing anyone and expect a significant improvement on last season, or even an on-par season. So while we may have to wait, and that's acceptable, I think ending the window *without* any movement would be a bad move on our part.

As for Chelsea's weak squad, I disagree, because they have the aforementioned bajillion players out on loan that they still pay wages to and can recall if necessary, many of whom are at or above the level of our comparable squad players (Andreas Christensen, for example, is probably better than Wimmer, Mario Pasalic was on loan at AC Milan and became an integral component of their midfield last season, and Marco Van Ginkel has accumulated more multinational experience than the majority of our squad while being a consistent loan ranger). Yet, they're going for the more expensive option of beefing up with first-team players good and early, which indicates more than just filling squad gaps, imo - it indicates a desire to improve and not stand still on their part.
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To take a few of your points here:

Mourinho has settled in at United, his players will have bought into his methods, Pogba, Martial, Rashford and Bailly are all young and will improve.

I didn't see anything from Mourinho's Man Utd last season that makes me think they will be champions this year (or any time soon). I didn't see Mourinho developing much of a style of play for them . it seemed to me that Mourinho doesn’t really get/trust Martial as a player and they have lost their top scorer from last season and it is always VERY difficult to replace a top scorer. That being said Man Utd obviously have the funds both in terms of transfer fee and wages to go out and attract a top level player to replace Ibrahimovic.

Conte has settled in at Chelsea, his players will have bought into his methods, Zouma, Batshuayi and Alonso will all improve, and they have a bajillion young players they can recall to aid them since they will all have gotten better as well.
True. But it looks as though Costa is off and if he isn't off he will be staying there as a very disillusioned player. So another contender that need to replace their top goalscorer.

Pep has settled in at Emirates Marketing Project, his players will have bought into his methods, Stones, Jesus, Sterling and Sane will are all young and will improve.
I think we will definitely see an improvement at Emirates Marketing Project this year. They have very good players and a very big and deep squad. They are my clear favourites to win the title.

Klopp has settled in at Liverpool, his players will have bought into his methods, Coutinho, Firminho and Mane will all improve.
I’m still not 100% convinced about Klopp’s Liverpool. They can be devastating, but it seems they are very susceptible to teams who sit back and don’t give that space in behind for Mane to exploit and then go long, bypass the midfield and seek to outnumber Liverpool around their penalty area after they have over committed players to attack. I hope we see Pochettino pay them a bit more respect this season (especially away) and look to play deep and on the counter to combat them.

Wenger has been settled in at Arsenal for a long time, but Bellerin, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Iwobi and Holding are all young and will improve by dint of experience and a winning mentality brought by their FA Cup victory.
Perhaps.... However it looks quite likely that they will be losing their top goal scorer and talisman – Sanchez. Another team who will be having to replace their man goalscorer. Probably the hardest thing to do in football.

I have no doubt that we will sign some players this summer. I think we will end up with a right back to replace Walker, another option at centre half (to take Wimmer’s place in the squad) and an additional attacking midfielder who will take Sissoko's squad place and can operate across any of the 7, 10 or 11 positions. I really don't think we need any more than that. We are strong in every position in the first team and have very good cover for most of those positions as well. I guess the icing on the cake would be a better option than Janssen to cover Kane. However I still think that Janssen can be successful at Spurs and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him be this season’s Son and show how good he is now that he has settled in.
 
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Gutter Boy said:
Agree

Directly upgrading Sissoko is the one key piece of business. I think creativity is more important than goals from that player though.

GKN, Janssen, Wimmer and Lamela (fitness not ability) probably deserve another year. But equally GKN and Wimmer may be pushed from beneath by Edwards and 2CV next season.
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I largely agree. I think we may well also upgrade Wimmer however (partly because Wimmer wants to play and partly because I don't think he is quite good enough)
 
The transfer window is just not the same without all the spurious speculation of the ITK-ers. I'm feeling a bit nostalgic. No riddles, ridiculous claims, false sightings, inside info from someone who knows someone who knows someone, airport or hotel photos, not even a snippet from the friend of a local estate agent. Those were the days. What has it come to when we can't even stoke up some misplaced optimism on the strength of good old unsubstantiated hearsay.

Sadly, this is a pale imitation of the transfer rumour threads of yore.

PS. I hear we are signing Messi.
 
ringo said:
The transfer window is just not the same without all the spurious speculation of the ITK-ers. I'm feeling a bit nostalgic. No riddles, ridiculous claims, false sightings, inside info from someone who knows someone who knows someone, airport or hotel photos, not even a snippet from the friend of a local estate agent. Those were the days. What has it come to when we can't even stoke up some misplaced optimism on the strength of good old unsubstantiated hearsay.

Sadly, this is a pale imitation of the transfer rumour threads of yore.

PS. I hear we are signing Messi.
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Yellow and blue. That's all I'm saying.
 
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Legohamster said:
Lots of clubs have broken the rules then.
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Exactly......it's the same standard reply every time if we haven't signed anyone before 1st July and other teams have:rolleyes:

It's no big deal that we haven't signed anyone before this date but can some people stop bringing the window opening date up as a reason
 
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