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*** Tottenham Hotspur vs Manchester United OMT ***
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Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Re: Did SAF underestimate us?
He's probably just so used to beating us and getting every decision against us, that he assumed they would win regardless of how well they played.
Alan Hansen was spot on when he said this was coming for a while on Match Of The Day. They have been on the decline since Ronaldo left. They've managed to win titles and be successful purely as a result of being Man United and having Fergie despite not recognising the need for a dominant central midfielder and a centre half to replace Ferdinand/Evans.
He's probably just so used to beating us and getting every decision against us, that he assumed they would win regardless of how well they played.
Alan Hansen was spot on when he said this was coming for a while on Match Of The Day. They have been on the decline since Ronaldo left. They've managed to win titles and be successful purely as a result of being Man United and having Fergie despite not recognising the need for a dominant central midfielder and a centre half to replace Ferdinand/Evans.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Re: Did SAF underestimate us?
Weve rolled over for them for 23 years now, I doubt he expected us to perform how we did
Weve rolled over for them for 23 years now, I doubt he expected us to perform how we did
Hotdoggspur
Calum Davenport
Wengers sleeping bag terrible coat is out again I know it's off topic but idrather wear a motson/ del boy sheepskin
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Re: Did SAF underestimate us?
We've produced better performances at OT in the past and got nothing, partly because decisions have gone United's way.
Sooner or later it had to happen, critical decisions had to go our way. We played well but we also got lucky.
We've produced better performances at OT in the past and got nothing, partly because decisions have gone United's way.
Sooner or later it had to happen, critical decisions had to go our way. We played well but we also got lucky.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: Did SAF underestimate us?
I don't think he did.
Started Scholes, something he doesn't always do, most United fans will agree that he has been a massive difference for them this season again and the one they have to bring on to sort things out when he isn't there.
Got Ferdinand ready, started Lindegaard who he must see as the better goalie these days. No starting Buttner or anything like that, Evra right in there.
Nothing happened that hasn't happened before against United, just that this time we were lucky instead of it being the other way around.
I don't think he did.
Started Scholes, something he doesn't always do, most United fans will agree that he has been a massive difference for them this season again and the one they have to bring on to sort things out when he isn't there.
Got Ferdinand ready, started Lindegaard who he must see as the better goalie these days. No starting Buttner or anything like that, Evra right in there.
Nothing happened that hasn't happened before against United, just that this time we were lucky instead of it being the other way around.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
As opposed to the crazy anti-foreign fan debate that was had on here not so long ago?
They are not so different...
Re: Did SAF underestimate us?
No of course he didnt underestimate us. 1 win in the last 23 years suggests he takes this fixture seriously, and yesterday our starting line up was in the top 20% of starting line ups we've put out against them in the PL.
Our performance was not much different to normal, their performance was not much different to normal (we were battered 2nd half as usual). We have good players and were due a win, there were several other opportunities in the last few years but we finally had some luck.
As for AVB being more disciplined in defending, well apart from being carved open very easily on Saturday, we also haven't kept a clean sheet in our 6 league games. I dont see AVB as a defensive manager. As for it being sorely lacking under Harry... out of any PL manager we have had the main difference was our discipline under Harry. We didnt hammer as many teams as say Jol might have, but we probably conceded a lot less and had a better away record (early signs point to AVB going on to be a very good away manager as well).
No of course he didnt underestimate us. 1 win in the last 23 years suggests he takes this fixture seriously, and yesterday our starting line up was in the top 20% of starting line ups we've put out against them in the PL.
Our performance was not much different to normal, their performance was not much different to normal (we were battered 2nd half as usual). We have good players and were due a win, there were several other opportunities in the last few years but we finally had some luck.
As for AVB being more disciplined in defending, well apart from being carved open very easily on Saturday, we also haven't kept a clean sheet in our 6 league games. I dont see AVB as a defensive manager. As for it being sorely lacking under Harry... out of any PL manager we have had the main difference was our discipline under Harry. We didnt hammer as many teams as say Jol might have, but we probably conceded a lot less and had a better away record (early signs point to AVB going on to be a very good away manager as well).
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Re: Did SAF underestimate us?
On one hand I thought SAF did underestimate us, but actually - apart from starting Rooney and Welbeck, far pacier than the other players that started in their front 6 - what players could they have started?
We crucified them in central midfield where they played older less pacy players than ours, but again who could they have played? Perhaps Cleverly or Anderson would have added more pace in their but only Fletcher on theor midfield staff has the ability to act as a decent defensive midfielder imo
On one hand I thought SAF did underestimate us, but actually - apart from starting Rooney and Welbeck, far pacier than the other players that started in their front 6 - what players could they have started?
We crucified them in central midfield where they played older less pacy players than ours, but again who could they have played? Perhaps Cleverly or Anderson would have added more pace in their but only Fletcher on theor midfield staff has the ability to act as a decent defensive midfielder imo
The Aston Villa that look like brick, are struggling for goals and haven't won away from home yet? We are doomed. Bent hat trick. Oh wait, wrong OMT. This one's amazing.
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
The villa that knocked Emirates Marketing Project out of the league cup away from home?
Cup games doesn't impact form or something... [insert suitable cliche]
Wriggly
Banned
Re: Did SAF underestimate us?
No he certainly did not underestimate us, the best manager that the world has ever seen is not stupid. In that first half we played some great stuff, utd didnt have an answer, it happens. 2nd half they tore us a new one. At 2-3 they are hitting the post, crossbar etc and piling on pressure. In the end we defended fairly well and deserved it. It was just one of those games were we played well and got a win, fudge all to do with underestimation.
No he certainly did not underestimate us, the best manager that the world has ever seen is not stupid. In that first half we played some great stuff, utd didnt have an answer, it happens. 2nd half they tore us a new one. At 2-3 they are hitting the post, crossbar etc and piling on pressure. In the end we defended fairly well and deserved it. It was just one of those games were we played well and got a win, fudge all to do with underestimation.