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Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand

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jimmyb said:
I got the impression that it was what Dubai was saying when he wrote: "moving elsewhere and letting the construction teams work unimpeded and with their own designs (free from the necessity of fully completing a section and then moving on the other ones)".

I could understand if Spurs wanted to relocate for the entire duration of the construction. That would save us a year. But to move out just for the final stage of construction makes little sense to me. It won't save us any time and it's fairly common to complete a stadium while the remainder is in use - as at Bilbao currently, for example, and when either end of the current WHL was being redeveloped back in the mid / late 90's.
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It all depends when they start the build surely. if 3/4 of the stadium would be ready in september-april then they wouldn't be able to start the other 1/4 till the following summer. As moving into the stadium means the current paxton road end has to be knocked down as the pitch will be finishing where that stand is currently as far as i understand. Therefore we wouldn't be able to do this until the following season. However if we knew the expected 3/4 build would be October of season 16/17(just an example) then for the whole of that season we play somewhere else so the other bit can be finished. Otherwise we would have to wait almost two years too get into the complete stadium.
 
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mudshark said:
Аrѕe played their home games at WHL during the war. I wonder whether the possibility of their returning the favour has been explored...

The idea of a 100 mi round-trip for home games is too ridiculous IMO and, were they to present it as a fait-accompli, the club would surely, in fairness, have to offer ST holders the opportunity to suspend their memberships.
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The idea of us playing in a fully red stadium with the trophies they've won written all over it in full view makes me sick!
 
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Im perplexed by this whole new stadium I understand its a long bureaucratic and very political process BUT what the hell is happening with this? Do we have planning permission? Will we build it in time for the 2017/18 season (I read somewhere thats our intention) or will we commence the build in 2017/18? Ive lost track as I was under the impression that we have planning permission etc
 
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DHSF said:
Im perplexed by this whole new stadium I understand its a long bureaucratic and very political process BUT what the hell is happening with this? Do we have planning permission? Will we build it in time for the 2017/18 season (I read somewhere thats our intention) or will we commence the build in 2017/18? Ive lost track as I was under the impression that we have planning permission etc
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We have planning permission.

We just don't have all the land yet. We're waiting on Eric Pickles to finish his lunch and make a decision on the Archway Sheet Metal CPO. He's been sitting on it since March of last year (how squashed must it be by now?). We can't start until Archway have been moved elsewhere.

There's also a strong possibility that there is a redesign in the offing which might require new planning permission - though it would likely be quicker and less complicated than the original planning application.

All being well, though, construction will start early / middle next year, with the first game in the new stadium scheduled for the start of 2017-18.
 
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jimmyb said:
We have planning permission.

We just don't have all the land yet. We're waiting on Eric Pickles to finish his lunch and make a decision on the Archway Sheet Metal CPO. He's been sitting on it since March of last year (how squashed must it be by now?). We can't start until Archway have been moved elsewhere.

There's also a strong possibility that there is a redesign in the offing which might require new planning permission - though it would likely be quicker and less complicated than the original planning application.

All being well, though, construction will start early / middle next year, with the first game in the new stadium scheduled for the start of 2017-18.
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Thanks for explaining. Did some research on google and didnt realise this CPO was holding it up. Why the **** is this pickles guy taking a while? I imagine there are redesigns seeing as the design was a while ago and there is constant evolution and evolving ideas etc.
 
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I think the delay is simply a mix of the Department making sure all the i's are dotted and t's crossed. They don't want to make any mistakes and it's probably not that high on the list of priorities.

The plan has too much support from local Labour to Boris at London level for it to fall though. It's just a matter of time.
 
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jts1882 said:
I think the delay is simply a mix of the Department making sure all the i's are dotted and t's crossed. They don't want to make any mistakes and it's probably not that high on the list of priorities.

The plan has too much support from local Labour to Boris at London level for it to fall though. It's just a matter of time.
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I understand things take time and with all things of this magnitude you have to go through everything with a fine tooth comb and pay attention to detail but as others in here have said - its been a year right? Time could delay things by a year from progressing and completing the build by 17/18 - a year would cost £100m to us right? through lost matchday income
 
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Hotspur Related ‏@HotspurRelated
Tottenham Hotspur are set to net £20m following Real Madrid winning (add-ons from Bale and Modric deals)


That'll pay for a few cantilevered trusses anyway.
 
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Gutter Boy said:
Hotspur Related ‏@HotspurRelated
Tottenham Hotspur are set to net £20m following Real Madrid winning (add-ons from Bale and Modric deals)


That'll pay for a few cantilevered trusses anyway.
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thats a nice bonus! the club should offer to sell a few RM bale and modric shirts to milk their historic win further.
 
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Gutter Boy said:
Hotspur Related ‏@HotspurRelated
Tottenham Hotspur are set to net £20m following Real Madrid winning (add-ons from Bale and Modric deals)


That'll pay for a few cantilevered trusses anyway.
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I think this sums up just how important this project is to us.

Q: Name me one club in Europe who has won two or less major trophies in the past 20 years yet can still fill 60,000 or more week in week out?
 
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Schalke?

Major Trophies - Does this mean League Titles and European titles yeah! As apposed to all trophies!?
 
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Superhudd said:
Schalke?

Major Trophies - Does this mean League Titles and European titles yeah! As apposed to all trophies!?
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MT are League title, National Cup, League Cup, ECWC, EL and CL. So forexample Schalke are a no with 3 German Cups and 1 EL.

Very good shouts Mumourn.
 
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spurs' magna carter said:
MT are League title, National Cup, League Cup, ECWC, EL and CL. So forexample Schalke are a no with 3 German Cups and 1 EL.

Very good shouts Mumourn.
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Not really sure what you're getting at, but perhaps this could help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_attendances_of_European_football_clubs

Only 7 clubs with average attendance figures over 59k. Unsurprisingly most teams with high attendance numbers are big clubs, most of those pick up more than a trophy per decade when you include domestic cups etc. You have to get down to attendance figures close to 50k to find teams that haven't.
 
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braineclipse said:
Not really sure what you're getting at, but perhaps this could help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_attendances_of_European_football_clubs

Only 7 clubs with average attendance figures over 59k. Unsurprisingly most teams with high attendance numbers are big clubs, most of those pick up more than a trophy per decade when you include domestic cups etc. You have to get down to attendance figures close to 50k to find teams that haven't.
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The sky's limit.

We've done sweet FA over the years yet here we are in the knowledge that we could sell out 60,000 week in, week out. This stadium could set a new bench mark for the club. I wouldn't go as far as saying 'build the new stadium and everything else will follow' but if we're able to attract this many now then GHod only knows how many we could attract if we started winning trophies.

There's not many clubs like us in Europe, let alone here in the UK and to move on from that knife's edge of success/failure we need this new stadium. I was thinking today that maybe, just maybe, this stadium could be a fresh new start for us and could lay the seeds towards a more positive mentality and success in the future. Of course our youth and tranfser policies will be the main contributions to that but this will help add a more solid foundation in funding such necessities unless of course we do an Arsenal on the funding front.
 
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spurs' magna carter said:
The sky's limit.

We've done sweet FA over the years yet here we are in the knowledge that we could sell out 60,000 week in, week out. This stadium could set a new bench mark for the club. I wouldn't go as far as saying 'build the new stadium and everything else will follow' but if we're able to attract this many now then GHod only knows how many we could attract if we started winning trophies.
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Its the old cart before the horse idiom...

Do you build a team first in order to fill that stadium or do you build the stadium first to fund the build of the team? You can do both simultaneously but its damn ****in difficult and always working to a disadvantage.
 
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spurs' magna carter said:
The sky's limit.

We've done sweet FA over the years yet here we are in the knowledge that we could sell out 60,000 week in, week out. This stadium could set a new bench mark for the club. I wouldn't go as far as saying 'build the new stadium and everything else will follow' but if we're able to attract this many now then GHod only knows how many we could attract if we started winning trophies.

There's not many clubs like us in Europe, let alone here in the UK and to move on from that knife's edge of success/failure we need this new stadium. I was thinking today that maybe, just maybe, this stadium could be a fresh new start for us and could lay the seeds towards a more positive mentality and success in the future. Of course our youth and tranfser policies will be the main contributions to that but this will help add a more solid foundation in funding such necessities unless of course we do an Arsenal on the funding front.
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Agreed. There's a lot of potential there if and when we can get it done.

DHSF said:
Its the old cart before the horse idiom...

Do you build a team first in order to fill that stadium or do you build the stadium first to fund the build of the team? You can do both simultaneously but its damn ****in difficult and always working to a disadvantage.
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I think we've seen that even getting into the CL once isn't the golden ticket. Sooner or later just about every team regresses to the mean set by their financial power. If we want to become an established top side we have to up our revenue stream and a new stadium is the way. Meanwhile do as well as we can and hope we over perform (compared to our finances) to the extent that we reach our goals.

That for me is the horse before the cart.
 
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