Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand

[spurs' magna carter]

Re: Northumberland Development Project

The Allianz Arena is an iconic stadium, while the Emirates is just meh. The design can matter, but it will be hard for us as we're putting up buildings to the north and south. The stadium would look much better if it was standing on its own.

The club could shelve the 'southern development' to allow the stadium to stand alone.

I doubt it because Spurs will need to build and sell apartments to help with funding but there is big development on the other side of the High Road which could see em move their apartments from the current location to slightly further up the high road to allow the new stadium to stand alone and thus allow it to be future proof.

:-k

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Northumberland Development Project

Sunderlands stadium cost circa 25 million. More than does the job imho

Sunderland's stadium cost £25 million.

15 years ago.

In the north east.

And it was built as cheaply as it is possible to build a stadium. Fine in Sunderland where, with respect, the highest standards of corporate hospitality aren't expected and where there is no competition for corporate business anyway. But it wouldn't wash in London, where the competition is (or will be) at a very high level - Wembley, Emirates, Olympic stadium (West Ham), Stamford Bridge (or wherever the inevitable, new Chelsea stadium will be), Twickenham, Wimbledon, Lords, Oval etc.

In short, horses for courses. SOL was / is fine for Sunderland (the club and the city). But it wouldn't be anywhere near good enough for Spurs or London.

 

[T-C]

Re: Northumberland Development Project

Fair enough i understand your position, your saying that insert big name sponsor (barclays or similar) do not want to loan us the money because the stadium was not pretty enough, but if we come back with this "iconic design" big name sponsor will suddenly want to pay lots to sponsor us.

I am saying i do not think the big name sponsor care to much within reason what the stadium looks like as long as it will generate the revenue to either pay off any loans and as long as the team that play in it are playing well and possibly in the champs league thus getting the big name sponsor more coverage.

You're both wrong and right here.

At the end you rightly point out that for a sponsor the deal will be valued on coverage, but you're wrong to say that the design doesn't matter.

The 'big name sponsor' isn't loaning us the money, they would be giving us cash. They're purchasing a marketing asset against which they'll have calculated a value for whatever objective they're trying to achieve. E.g when Aon sponsored Man Utd's shirts it was specifically to give them greater brand exposure in the Asian market.

The people calculating that value are not football fans and are not going to take a major gamble on whether the club is successful in the 5 years time as part of that decision. A successful team is just one consideration, and of course the Champions League will increase that value of that visibility (although the Premier League already has massive exposure internationally anyway). In the current economic climate having a moderately successful team is not going to be enough to get a high value naming rights deal.

An 'iconic' design gives a potential sponsor something far more predictable to value, a strong visual image that stands out from all the other named stadia. A venue that is immediately recognisable around the world, and that creates an instant association with a brand. To get a top deal the design of the stadium will be a major part.

Of course we could be less ambitious, we could probably get a low cost design and mid tier naming deal fairly easily, but that could also have a side affects. The value of the naming deal may impact the value of our shirt deals or any other rights that we plan to sell in the future, as it will become a benchmark for the marketing value of the club.

The other element is that if the club was going to be put up for sale in the future, an iconic stadium/brand will be a more attractive prospect.

 

[Jordinho]

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Edmonton on COYS

There was some interesting stuff in the Chancellor's announcements today, the Mayor is going to be able to deliver a £500m borrowing guarantee to regenerate Tottenham, primarily housing and transport. Not as good as the grants the scum got but might help get things moving. In the detail the Mayor is also taking over the line through White Hart Lane so the new station seems finally in the bag.

Don't think this funding guarantee will have any direct impact on the stadium as everywhere in europe except Stratford this would count as state aid to a football club.

http://www.londonreconnections.com/2013/tfl-settlement-goblin-to-be-electrified-west-anglia-franchise-devolved/

Unprecedented 6 year capital & borrowing package for Transport for London secures long-term transport investment until the end of the decade;

Secure capital funding of around a billion pounds a year, indexed linked, from 2015-2021;

In addition guaranteed borrowing set at £600million+ annually from 2015-2021;

The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, has welcomed a long-term funding settlement to support investment until the end of the decade into major transport infrastructure across the capital that will deliver economic growth, homes and jobs.

Responding to the Mayor’s call in his 2020 Vision for a secure and continuous investment in transport, the Chancellor today confirmed an unprecedented 6 year settlement for Transport for London from 2015-2021. The capital funding commitment begins with an investment grant of £925m in 2015/16 rising to £1,007m in 2020/21, alongside annual borrowing limits of £600m+ to finance capital investment into transport infrastructure.

This funding package will enable the continuation of Tube upgrades, investment into roads and cycling as well as improvements to bus, DLR, London Overground and Tramlink networks. It will also critically enable the delivery of a series of vital transport projects which the Mayor has called for to support regeneration and jobs as well as greater devolved rail powers.

In addition to the long-term revenue settlement the Mayor has secured the following commitments from the Chancellor and the Secretary of State for Transport:
West Anglia suburban rail services to be devolved to the Mayor and Transport for London;

A £500m borrowing guarantee to support housing and transport infrastructure in Tottenham;

A £90m commitment to carry out electrification of the Gospel Oak to Barking overground line, as a first step towards the extension of the line to Barking Riverside, unlocking thousands of homes;

An initial commitment from Government to Crossrail 2 of £2m for feasibility studies into the vital north south rail link.

The Mayor has welcomed the Chancellor’s commitment to examine the findings of the London Finance Commission which has outlined the case for greater revenue raising powers for the capital.

The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, said: ‘Today’s announcement shows that the Government recognises the vital importance of continued investment into London, representing good news not just for Londoners, but for the wider UK economy, the capital’s being a key driver of growth across the country. As I have outlined in my 2020 Vision, to cope with expected population expansion, London needs sustained investment to keep the city moving and to build its economy. This settlement gives us a far greater level of financial certainty in line with measures we have lobbied for and to deliver vital infrastructure. I am pleased to also welcome specific commitments to a series of projects set to trigger significant development and regeneration in areas that need it most, helping to unleash the delivery of homes and jobs.

‘Transport for London will continue to drive its major programme of efficiencies and savings to demonstrate value for the taxpayer. We are confident that this can be achieved without compromising the priority projects London so urgently needs.’

The Mayor has already committed to Transport for London efficiencies totalling £9.8bn to 2017/18. Savings are being achieved through a variety of ways including more efficient ways of working, better maintenance practices, competitive tendering of the bus network, the re-let of the congestion charge contract, cuts in marketing spend and the disposal of property assets. Today’s confirmed Government grant settlement for 2015-16, when all funding streams for this period are taken into account, represents a reduction of support for Transport for London of 8.5 per cent. The Government reduction to TfL’s transport grant by £222m works out as 2.2 per cent less in TfL’s total capital and revenue budget based on 2013/14, and is the result of successful negotiation by the Mayor to protect the best possible transport settlement for Londoners in terms of value for money.

Today’s announcement will give the Mayor the ability to progress his ambitious regeneration plans in Tottenham with the aim of delivering around 10,000 new homes and 5,000 new jobs in the area. Working with Haringey Council, the Mayor will now develop proposals to bring forward an ambitious programme of housing delivery and regeneration, job creation initiatives, transport infrastructure and public realm projects amounting to investment in the region of £500m thanks to today’s ‘guarantee’. This would include improvements to train services and stations between Stansted, Liverpool Street and Stratford.

 

[Spur of the moment]

Re: Northumberland Development Project

So Tottenham has secured the necessary project development funding, great. Now all we need is for Tottenham Hotspur to do the same.

Why does it feel like it could still be a long, long wait?

 

[Mumorn]

Re: Northumberland Development Project

How beautiful does our stadium look right now

 

[PaulH]

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How beautiful does our stadium look right now

That actually hurts my eyes

 

[jimmyb]

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How beautiful does our stadium look right now

The stadium itself is looking a bit worn..........what with all the rust on the goalpost roof truss structure.

Pitch looks good, though.

 

[Crawley]

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How beautiful does our stadium look right now

Made me go dizzy

 

[tommysvr]

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Looks like every Instagram filter has been applied to that photo.

 

[raboner]

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twice.

 

[Armenia Spur]

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I turn up to the lane every August hoping they've given the rusty bits at the top a lick of paint, I'm always disappointed haha. Suppose there's a few weeks left to go still

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Northumberland Development Project

I turn up to the lane every August hoping they've given the rusty bits at the top a lick of paint, I'm always disappointed haha. Suppose there's a few weeks left to go still

If all goes well, the aim is to begin work on the new stadium within the year and to move out of the current stadium within three years.

So I wouldn't blame Spurs if they didn't want to waste money on tarting up the current stadium in the meanwhile.

My guess is that they will do the bare minimum and only spend on the current stadium if the work will quickly pay for itself by way of increased revenues or if it is a matter of 'elf and safety.

 

[onlyme]

Re: Northumberland Development Project

I turn up to the lane every August hoping they've given the rusty bits at the top a lick of paint, I'm always disappointed haha. Suppose there's a few weeks left to go still

Lick of paint always reminds me of O'Reilly in Fawlty Towers.

 

[Denmark Spur]

Re: Northumberland Development Project

Campaigners demand Spurs puts up £100million for renewal of Tottenham community – open meeting Saturday

Community campaigners have demanded that Tottenham Hotspur FC sinks £100million into improving the local area in the first summit with the club’s director and senior management yesterday.

The recently-formed Our Tottenham group, which draws support and members from community and residents’ groups and businesses in the area, said the contribution would equal that of Arsenal FC’s payments for improvements to the area in Highbury, made after intense wrangling with Islington Council.

The amount is more than 200 times the £477,000 Spurs is legally required to contribute under the current legally-binding arrangment.

At the club’s request, Spurs’ executive director Donna-Maria Cullen and its head of community relations Adam Davison met with a five-strong delegation from the Our Tottenham network on Thursday.

The group condemned the “negative” effect the current Northumberland Development Project regeneration is having on the community, and handed them seven written demands, including that for a £100million commitment.

Our Tottenham also demanded that no homes or businesses be demolished for the club’s planned ‘Wembley Way’-style approach from White Hart Lane station, that no public money is used for developments related to the stadium, that at least half of the new homes Spurs builds are for social housing, and that it sign up to the group’s community charter.

Ms Cullen said the club would respond in writing and the group claims there was intense discussion about the extent of Spurs’ responsibility for revitalising the local area. Frank Murray, one of the Our Tottenham delegates at the meeting, said: “We are calling on the club to speak out against the threat of demolitions of nearby homes and shops, and to promise to fund the improvements people actually need.

“Spurs always say they want to go one better than Arsenal, so we expect them to put more money into the area than Arsenal did since they built their new stadium.”

Spurs is currently required to pay £477,000 towards community and infrastructure improvements, a deal agreed in February 2012 after Haringey Council let it wriggle out of £15.96million of further payments, a £1.2million contribution towards education improvements and a requirement to build at least 100 “affordable” homes as part of the stadium development.

Some of those costs were passed on to the council and left to be absorbed by Transport for London and the Mayor of London’s £27million Tottenham Regeneration Fund.

The council also gave Spurs permission to increase the number of flats from 200 to 285, in order to help make the entire project “viable” and thereby keep the wider regeneration of Tottenham on course.

+ Our Tottenham will update the community on its campaign at a “street assembly” public meeting at noon on Saturday, July 6, outside Wards Corner above Seven Sisters Tube station, High Road, Tottenham.

http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/n...ham_community_open_meeting_saturday_1_2266753

 

[DubaiSpur]

Re: Northumberland Development Project

Fair enough, it's their borough and they have every right to ask Spurs to comply with their requests.

There is not a single snowball in hell's chance that we'll do anything of the sort - I imagine Levy will laugh long and hard at that pompous list of demands- but good on them for refusing to compromise a single inch and somehow expecting a massive stadium proect to go up without a single change to the area directly surrounding it. It's the sort of gumption I sometimes think we need in the lobby-filled world of higher politics, to be honest.

Though I would like to point out that we could very well do what Liverpool have been revealed to be doing (buying out homes around the site of their proposed stadium expansion and then leaving them untenanted and decaying to drive down house prices and force the remaining tenants out on the cheap) and screw the area completely, CPOs be damned. Our 'negative' current development approach is streets ahead of some of the less scrupulous ways clubs have gotten what they wanted. So, if I were a member of the Our Tottenham group, I'd be very careful when going around calling the NDP detrimental to the area.

 

[markysimmo]

Re: Northumberland Development Project

I tell you what we will just pull out of Tottenham, and all the revenue for the area that comes with having a footie club there and move somewhere else and see where that leaves "Our Tottenham" bunch of pricks moaning about knocking down brickholes and the like

The NDP and all what it will bring will make the area along with the other proposed changes that will come from the club pledging its future there, makes my blood boil

 

[jimmyb]

Re: Northumberland Development Project

Fair enough, it's their borough and they have every right to ask Spurs to comply with their requests.

There is not a single snowball in hell's chance that we'll do anything of the sort - I imagine Levy will laugh long and hard at that pompous list of demands- but good on them for refusing to compromise a single inch and somehow expecting a massive stadium proect to go up without a single change to the area directly surrounding it. It's the sort of gumption I sometimes think we need in the lobby-filled world of higher politics, to be honest.

Though I would like to point out that we could very well do what Liverpool have been revealed to be doing (buying out homes around the site of their proposed stadium expansion and then leaving them untenanted and decaying to drive down house prices and force the remaining tenants out on the cheap) and screw the area completely, CPOs be damned. Our 'negative' current development approach is streets ahead of some of the less scrupulous ways clubs have gotten what they wanted. So, if I were a member of the Our Tottenham group, I'd be very careful when going around calling the NDP detrimental to the area.

Absolutely.

They have every right to ask.

But they have no right to expect any answer from Spurs other than "fudge off, you delusional ****s".........or slightly more diplomatic words to that effect. If these halfwits must complain or make demands, then they should do so to the relevant authorities - the council, the London Assembly or even central government - not to a fudging football club. Beggars belief.

And their claims about Arsenal are based on sheer ignorance. I mean..............Arsenal contributed £100 million to their local area????? Utter, utter gonads.

Arsenal did, it's true, spend a lot of money building a new waste and recycling plant for Islington...........but only because they bought and demolished Islington's previous waste and recycling plant at Ashburton Grove in order to build their new stadium. If Spurs had needed to buy and demolish a publicly owned facility in order to build their new stadium, then they too would have had to replace the old facility with a new one on a different site. They wouldn't have got it for free any more than Arsenal did. fudge's sake....this isn't rocket science!

Arsenal also built some affordable housing. But only because there was a comparative lack of it in the area. By contrast, it is high quality, private housing stock that is sorely lacking in N17. And let's not forget that, on behalf of Arsenal, Islington served CPO's on a whole raft of small businesses in order to develop property from which the club could make a profit. So it's only right that some of that property developed by Arsenal was affordable housing.

Lastly, perhaps "Our Tottenham" should stop trying to speak on behalf of the "community" when they have zero mandate to do so. The majority of local residents, as far as I'm aware, are broadly in favour of of the NDP and the wider regeneration of Tottenham. Why is it any more "Our Tottenham's" Tottenham than every other resident's Tottenham?

 

[jts1882]

Re: Northumberland Development Project

Fair enough, it's their borough and they have every right to ask Spurs to comply with their requests.

There is not a single snowball in hell's chance that we'll do anything of the sort - I imagine Levy will laugh long and hard at that pompous list of demands- but good on them for refusing to compromise a single inch and somehow expecting a massive stadium proect to go up without a single change to the area directly surrounding it. It's the sort of gumption I sometimes think we need in the lobby-filled world of higher politics, to be honest.

Though I would like to point out that we could very well do what Liverpool have been revealed to be doing (buying out homes around the site of their proposed stadium expansion and then leaving them untenanted and decaying to drive down house prices and force the remaining tenants out on the cheap) and screw the area completely, CPOs be damned. Our 'negative' current development approach is streets ahead of some of the less scrupulous ways clubs have gotten what they wanted. So, if I were a member of the Our Tottenham group, I'd be very careful when going around calling the NDP detrimental to the area.

I don't think they have the right to ask ... at least not beyond the right of any individual to speak freely. They have no authority here (i'll explain later) and undermine any reasonable case to ask Spurs to contribute more.

Firstly, they are demanding Spurs put £100 million into the area or will attempt to block the development. This is ridiculous, asking a company to donate an amount worth nearly their entire market capitalisation (it was around £100m the last time I looked) to a public project. We might as well ask everyone to donate the value of their house to the council as well. And they are threatening to block the overall project unless they get a totally ridiculous request.

Secondly, the benefit to Spurs is quite small. The walkway from the station will be nice, but it's not essential to the plans (it was proposed later). The housing that will be demolished is not for the stadium plan but for redevelopment and rejuvenation of the whole area, something that has been desperately needed for decades. Spurs may benefit slightly from increased property prices, but these will mainly occur after Spurs have build their enabling projects. They could abandon the redevelopment and Spurs could go ahead with stadium anyway. How does that help the community?

Thirdly, their statements are at best misleading, at worst deliberately dishonest. Jimmy has already covered the Arsenal comparison. These people would derail the redevelopment just on the grounds that a company doesn't pay a number they pluck out of the air and justify with lies. How can they be considered representative of the community they claim to represent when they would rather the area suffer if they can't hurt a major private company in the area. These people have no credibility and undermine any sensible efforts by the local community to get their grievances heard. There are genuine concerns but they needed to be presented by a serious group rather than a hysterical bunch of jokers.

 

[greatwhitenorf]

Re: Northumberland Development Project

Another fine manipulation of the process by...




...Emperor of Viet Tot Nam, His Protruberance, Wavy Gravy Davy Schmitz?

Lovely tie.