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Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand

Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire

AdamB said:
I cant see how this would delay their appeal against teh CPO - the CPO relates to the land surely rather than the structure on it (we not trying to buy the building). If anything it weakens the chance of an appeal being successful as it rules out them saying 'we have an ongoing viable business on the land which will be ruined if we have to relocate'.

Unless it is a purely accidental fire, which seems far to much of a coincidence, it does smack of an insurance job with the company aiming to get paid once via the CPO and secondly via insurance payout. Given teh CPO hearing is in Jan (I believe from the above posts) it would take an incredibly stupid 'fan' (in the broadest definition of the word) to commit arson on the building
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Or they'll take Spurs' offer of a new site, pocket the compensation and use the insurance money to build the new factory.
 
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elyid said:
Sounds sensible to me, they had a lot to lose and nothing to gain. Unlike Spurs who are finally 2 months from getting the green light.

It does seem plausible that they would consider the social media "threats" to be the perfect alibi and torch it themselves for either 1) insurance or 2) to try to delay things further.

Also, I just can't imagine a fan would do this - modern fans are a world away from this sort of thing.

Must be CCTV though?
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There should be plenty outside WHL to cover that side of the building, surely.

The way this whole stadium process is panning out, it's now likely to be turned into a movie one day!
 
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Looks like major damage is likely:

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An eyewitness said Mr Josif was at the scene shortly after the blaze broke out and was clearly very upset, fearing he was the victim of an arson attack.

The witness, who asked not to be named, said: “By the time the fire phalanx arrived the building was chucking out loads of smoke.

“At one point the flames were coming out of the top floor, about 15ft to 20ft high.

“The owner was already there, ranting and raving about it being a petrol bomb, he was clearly very upset.

“He is going to have to move from the factory eventually, but it shouldn’t be like this.

“The police set up a very large cordon, bigger than you would expect for a fire.

“There’s CCTV all over the place because the factory is right next to the football ground so there could be footage of the fire starting for the police to investigate.”

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...ite-of-spurs-planned-new-stadium-9881105.html
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The owner was there before the fire phalanx?
 
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AdamB said:
I cant see how this would delay their appeal against teh CPO - the CPO relates to the land surely rather than the structure on it (we not trying to buy the building). If anything it weakens the chance of an appeal being successful as it rules out them saying 'we have an ongoing viable business on the land which will be ruined if we have to relocate'.
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I think the same.

Also, it's not even strictly an appeal (i.e. they don't get to argue their case) rather a judicial review simply to check that the original appeal was conducted correctly.

Just hope CCTV shows there wasn't any foul play from Spurs "fans".
 
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Glad no-one was hurt. Hope it was accidental. Nothing in the world justifies this if deliberate. Sours everything to do with the NDP in my opinion.
 
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elyid said:
I think the same.

Also, it's not even strictly an appeal (i.e. they don't get to argue their case) rather a judicial review simply to check that the original appeal was conducted correctly.

Just hope CCTV shows there wasn't any foul play from Spurs "fans".
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Even if there was foul play, the idiot would go to prison but again I cant see how it would impact the CPO
 
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The only plausible explaination for this is that it was Ade. He'd probably miss with the petrol bomb though.
 
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Or someone still lost after the Tottenham riots (giant basmati bag boy?)...
 
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Gutter Boy said:
Or best case scenario - Archway get found as having done it themselves as a fit up, knowing the court case in Jan would ruin them.
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As someone who works for a major insurance company, I can answer this:

No, the best case scenario is that their insurance company repudiate any claim as based on the reasonable (in the insurance company's eyes's, not Archway's) offer on the table for market value for the land and relocation to another site by a third party, the fire has not caused Archway to suffer a financial loss. THerefore insurers force Archway's arm to accept THFC's proposal. There is no insurer worth their salt that is going to agree to rebuild or reinstate a property subject of a CPO process.

And no cash settlement in lieu of repair work would be agreed based on the lack of financial loss stated above.

All IMO
 
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Gutter Boy said:
The insurance payout (for loss of business, as well as loss of property), will likely be more than the CPO rate.

Fires on land being primed for development are not uncommon. IIRC a recent employee of ours was the victim of such an accident a few years ago (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-14473058; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-14566263). I guess it's due to the lack of a nearby population to watch over them.


Other thought:

- There's got to be a ton of CCTV that close to a football stadium, so if it was someone (cf equipment) there should be images of the culprit soon enough

- The fire was on the first floor. If it were arson it would surely more likely be on the ground floor (unless it was a very crude Molotov through a window)?
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Deliberate fires tend to be started at first floor or above. Maximises spread of fire and damage and alos minimises risk to starter leaving a clear exit from the premises. I'm a fraud investigator for an insurance company, so i am experience in dealing with cases like this.
 
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NWND said:
Deliberate fires tend to be started at first floor or above. Maximises spread of fire and damage and alos minimises risk to starter leaving a clear exit from the premises. I'm a fraud investigator for an insurance company, so i am experience in dealing with cases like this.
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Bona fide ITK of a different sort!

Keep your ears to the ground will you?

Be interesting to hear the industry's rumours alongside the formal investigation and report.
 
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Must admit i am looking forward to the songs on Thursday night, could be some very err intresting ones
 
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The owner might receive fire alarms to his home and if he lives nearby he could be there quickly?
 
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NWND said:
That is pretty suspect, if true. Even arrival soon afterwards would be suspect IMO.
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What time did the fire start? If the fire started at 6:45am and he was getting there to start work at 7 it wouldn't be that suspect.

Is it still dark at 6:50am? I have no experience of such matters.
 
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