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Tom Carroll

Not sure I get the reasoning we'll go for a CB that can play DM - is it just because that's what we have with Dier?

Re your second point - I think Carroll has begun to show there is not much to choose between him and Mason/Bentaleb and he has every chance of establishing himself as the no.1 option of those three if given a good run of games - I agree he won't want to be a backup/rotational player long term but right now he is getting his first real run out in the PL for us, I can see an extension with the thinking being that he either proves his worth over this season and next, if not he will then move on - this would suit both parties imv


I agree, infact I would play him over those two and give him a run of games.
 
I agree, infact I would play him over those two and give him a run of games.

That seems very much to be Pochettino's approach. Give a player a run of games to prove (and improve) themselves. Instead of chopping and changing every game.

I feel quite certain that both Bentaleb and Mason will also get run of games to do the same in the future. But right now Carroll is taking his chance and deserving his run of games. Though when Dembele is back I assume he's going to step right in.
 
That seems very much to be Pochettino's approach. Give a player a run of games to prove (and improve) themselves. Instead of chopping and changing every game.

I feel quite certain that both Bentaleb and Mason will also get run of games to do the same in the future. But right now Carroll is taking his chance and deserving his run of games. Though when Dembele is back I assume he's going to step right in.

Indeed.
 
Absolutely unbelievable to see a Spurs Academy player get so much abuse on Twitter yesterday.
Only picking tweets from self identified spurs fans
Pre match

1st half
https://twitter.com/xDuoMax/status/683680618073440259
https://twitter.com/cjperl/status/683680624117432320
https://twitter.com/jake_whitehurst/status/683680709194702848
https://twitter.com/CynicalSpud/status/683680821329276929
https://twitter.com/jake199801/status/683683006066888704
https://twitter.com/MrBLester/status/683683031895392256
https://twitter.com/jr_harrold/status/683683038002327552
https://twitter.com/jr_harrold/status/683685113075470336
https://twitter.com/TheSpursBible_/status/683685761284190211
https://twitter.com/shermdogg7/status/683685848924209152
https://twitter.com/KierannRoberts/status/683685849331011584
https://twitter.com/Kuran1882/status/683685884806475777
https://twitter.com/jay11284xxx/status/683685886840680448
https://twitter.com/Mar10LG/status/683685917618515969
https://twitter.com/tomackyyy/status/683685918696452097
https://twitter.com/_JoshDenham/status/683685926585929728
https://twitter.com/jay11284xxx/status/683688393386160128
https://twitter.com/jbsphillips/status/683688941606846465
https://twitter.com/GlennButler_/status/683690162057011200
https://twitter.com/AngrySpurs/status/683690247352365057
https://twitter.com/_lewism_/status/683690275017981952
https://twitter.com/bxstock/status/683690283142397952
https://twitter.com/gempalemp/status/683690364427988993
https://twitter.com/shaqrofl/status/683690440080646144
2nd half
https://twitter.com/TheSpursBible_/status/683690556879409152
https://twitter.com/jay11284xxx/status/683701049627144193
https://twitter.com/LamelaRabona/status/683701993475543041
https://twitter.com/craigy93/status/683702057203810304
https://twitter.com/FrasBunting/status/683703660262588418
https://twitter.com/Louiekento/status/683704012605124608
https://twitter.com/Mattuidi/status/683704785514704897
https://twitter.com/ethanmoran13/status/683705954022612992
https://twitter.com/DemPele/status/683706009093804032
https://twitter.com/DavidPerry91/status/683706639095074821
https://twitter.com/WhiteHartKane/status/683706697165176832
https://twitter.com/JosephGMcConnon/status/683706680698355712
https://twitter.com/mrmstoney/status/683706763485515776
https://twitter.com/OneBigJamJar/status/683707492824657920
https://twitter.com/JJonesTHFC/status/683707515692003329
https://twitter.com/alastair_lawrie/status/683707744273215489
https://twitter.com/ThePochPress/status/683708925229809664
https://twitter.com/GriezLightning/status/683709816598953985
https://twitter.com/bxstock/status/683664286741360640
 
He's "one of our own" works only in certain ways doesn't it....tbf, those rants are probably no worse than some seen in most OMTs ;)
 
A young lad who works for me in the warehouse, a Chelsea fan no less. He uses this CAM thing all the time when talking about football. I do not really care what team he supports but everytime I hear him say CAM it takes all my strength not to knock his fcuking head off.
 
Absolutely unbelievable to see a Spurs Academy player get so much abuse on Twitter yesterday.
Only picking tweets from self identified spurs fans
Pre match

1st half
https://twitter.com/xDuoMax/status/683680618073440259
https://twitter.com/cjperl/status/683680624117432320
https://twitter.com/jake_whitehurst/status/683680709194702848
https://twitter.com/CynicalSpud/status/683680821329276929
https://twitter.com/jake199801/status/683683006066888704
https://twitter.com/MrBLester/status/683683031895392256
https://twitter.com/jr_harrold/status/683683038002327552
https://twitter.com/jr_harrold/status/683685113075470336
https://twitter.com/TheSpursBible_/status/683685761284190211
https://twitter.com/shermdogg7/status/683685848924209152
https://twitter.com/KierannRoberts/status/683685849331011584
https://twitter.com/Kuran1882/status/683685884806475777
https://twitter.com/jay11284xxx/status/683685886840680448
https://twitter.com/Mar10LG/status/683685917618515969
https://twitter.com/tomackyyy/status/683685918696452097
https://twitter.com/_JoshDenham/status/683685926585929728
https://twitter.com/jay11284xxx/status/683688393386160128
https://twitter.com/jbsphillips/status/683688941606846465
https://twitter.com/GlennButler_/status/683690162057011200
https://twitter.com/AngrySpurs/status/683690247352365057
https://twitter.com/_lewism_/status/683690275017981952
https://twitter.com/bxstock/status/683690283142397952
https://twitter.com/gempalemp/status/683690364427988993
https://twitter.com/shaqrofl/status/683690440080646144
2nd half
https://twitter.com/TheSpursBible_/status/683690556879409152
https://twitter.com/jay11284xxx/status/683701049627144193
https://twitter.com/LamelaRabona/status/683701993475543041
https://twitter.com/craigy93/status/683702057203810304
https://twitter.com/FrasBunting/status/683703660262588418
https://twitter.com/Louiekento/status/683704012605124608
https://twitter.com/Mattuidi/status/683704785514704897
https://twitter.com/ethanmoran13/status/683705954022612992
https://twitter.com/DemPele/status/683706009093804032
https://twitter.com/DavidPerry91/status/683706639095074821
https://twitter.com/WhiteHartKane/status/683706697165176832
https://twitter.com/JosephGMcConnon/status/683706680698355712
https://twitter.com/mrmstoney/status/683706763485515776
https://twitter.com/OneBigJamJar/status/683707492824657920
https://twitter.com/JJonesTHFC/status/683707515692003329
https://twitter.com/alastair_lawrie/status/683707744273215489
https://twitter.com/ThePochPress/status/683708925229809664
https://twitter.com/GriezLightning/status/683709816598953985
https://twitter.com/bxstock/status/683664286741360640


macarons on teletext, no surprise there at all.
 
Absolutely unbelievable to see a Spurs Academy player get so much abuse on Twitter yesterday.
Only picking tweets from self identified spurs fans
Pre match

1st half
https://twitter.com/xDuoMax/status/683680618073440259
https://twitter.com/cjperl/status/683680624117432320
https://twitter.com/jake_whitehurst/status/683680709194702848
https://twitter.com/CynicalSpud/status/683680821329276929
https://twitter.com/jake199801/status/683683006066888704
https://twitter.com/MrBLester/status/683683031895392256
https://twitter.com/jr_harrold/status/683683038002327552
https://twitter.com/jr_harrold/status/683685113075470336
https://twitter.com/TheSpursBible_/status/683685761284190211
https://twitter.com/shermdogg7/status/683685848924209152
https://twitter.com/KierannRoberts/status/683685849331011584
https://twitter.com/Kuran1882/status/683685884806475777
https://twitter.com/jay11284xxx/status/683685886840680448
https://twitter.com/Mar10LG/status/683685917618515969
https://twitter.com/tomackyyy/status/683685918696452097
https://twitter.com/_JoshDenham/status/683685926585929728
https://twitter.com/jay11284xxx/status/683688393386160128
https://twitter.com/jbsphillips/status/683688941606846465
https://twitter.com/GlennButler_/status/683690162057011200
https://twitter.com/AngrySpurs/status/683690247352365057
https://twitter.com/_lewism_/status/683690275017981952
https://twitter.com/bxstock/status/683690283142397952
https://twitter.com/gempalemp/status/683690364427988993
https://twitter.com/shaqrofl/status/683690440080646144
2nd half
https://twitter.com/TheSpursBible_/status/683690556879409152
https://twitter.com/jay11284xxx/status/683701049627144193
https://twitter.com/LamelaRabona/status/683701993475543041
https://twitter.com/craigy93/status/683702057203810304
https://twitter.com/FrasBunting/status/683703660262588418
https://twitter.com/Louiekento/status/683704012605124608
https://twitter.com/Mattuidi/status/683704785514704897
https://twitter.com/ethanmoran13/status/683705954022612992
https://twitter.com/DemPele/status/683706009093804032
https://twitter.com/DavidPerry91/status/683706639095074821
https://twitter.com/WhiteHartKane/status/683706697165176832
https://twitter.com/JosephGMcConnon/status/683706680698355712
https://twitter.com/mrmstoney/status/683706763485515776
https://twitter.com/OneBigJamJar/status/683707492824657920
https://twitter.com/JJonesTHFC/status/683707515692003329
https://twitter.com/alastair_lawrie/status/683707744273215489
https://twitter.com/ThePochPress/status/683708925229809664
https://twitter.com/GriezLightning/status/683709816598953985
https://twitter.com/bxstock/status/683664286741360640

macarons the lot of them

The blinkers sines fans wear are unbelievable

And the inability to change their minds is worse. We truly have some of the most negative fans I know and even at a high point in our recent history they just can't see any positives
 
This is why I don't bother with a twаtter account. The fuсk are they moaning about, anyway? I didn't think Carroll did badly yesterday. He looks a bit lightweight, but that's what they all said about Modrić.
 
Half the time i think 'the big men' are bashing Tommy because he's small.

He played very well against Monaco.
The game passed him by against Saudi Sportswashing Machine. And no, we didn't lose because of him.
He had a good game yesterday, albeit a few stray passes (normally forward ones). He chased Barkely successfully a few times yesterday and took one for the team. Most of us would be flattened Jonah Lomu style by Barkely.

Poch is pragmatic and fair and somehow has the nerve (ability) to give players a chance. eg He played against Saudi Sportswashing Machine because he was v good versus Monaco.

For the record, i don't think Tom will ultimately be a regular for us. BUT i had major doubts about Kane originally and also thought Moose would be surplus this season, so Poch probably knows better than me.

(although i did call Dier as DM back in July:cool:)
 
Absolutely unbelievable to see a Spurs Academy player get so much abuse on Twitter yesterday.
Only picking tweets from self identified spurs fans
Pre match

1st half
https://twitter.com/xDuoMax/status/683680618073440259
https://twitter.com/cjperl/status/683680624117432320
https://twitter.com/jake_whitehurst/status/683680709194702848
https://twitter.com/CynicalSpud/status/683680821329276929
https://twitter.com/jake199801/status/683683006066888704
https://twitter.com/MrBLester/status/683683031895392256
https://twitter.com/jr_harrold/status/683683038002327552
https://twitter.com/jr_harrold/status/683685113075470336
https://twitter.com/TheSpursBible_/status/683685761284190211
https://twitter.com/shermdogg7/status/683685848924209152
https://twitter.com/KierannRoberts/status/683685849331011584
https://twitter.com/Kuran1882/status/683685884806475777
https://twitter.com/jay11284xxx/status/683685886840680448
https://twitter.com/Mar10LG/status/683685917618515969
https://twitter.com/tomackyyy/status/683685918696452097
https://twitter.com/_JoshDenham/status/683685926585929728
https://twitter.com/jay11284xxx/status/683688393386160128
https://twitter.com/jbsphillips/status/683688941606846465
https://twitter.com/GlennButler_/status/683690162057011200
https://twitter.com/AngrySpurs/status/683690247352365057
https://twitter.com/_lewism_/status/683690275017981952
https://twitter.com/bxstock/status/683690283142397952
https://twitter.com/gempalemp/status/683690364427988993
https://twitter.com/shaqrofl/status/683690440080646144
2nd half
https://twitter.com/TheSpursBible_/status/683690556879409152
https://twitter.com/jay11284xxx/status/683701049627144193
https://twitter.com/LamelaRabona/status/683701993475543041
https://twitter.com/craigy93/status/683702057203810304
https://twitter.com/FrasBunting/status/683703660262588418
https://twitter.com/Louiekento/status/683704012605124608
https://twitter.com/Mattuidi/status/683704785514704897
https://twitter.com/ethanmoran13/status/683705954022612992
https://twitter.com/DemPele/status/683706009093804032
https://twitter.com/DavidPerry91/status/683706639095074821
https://twitter.com/WhiteHartKane/status/683706697165176832
https://twitter.com/JosephGMcConnon/status/683706680698355712
https://twitter.com/mrmstoney/status/683706763485515776
https://twitter.com/OneBigJamJar/status/683707492824657920
https://twitter.com/JJonesTHFC/status/683707515692003329
https://twitter.com/alastair_lawrie/status/683707744273215489
https://twitter.com/ThePochPress/status/683708925229809664
https://twitter.com/GriezLightning/status/683709816598953985
https://twitter.com/bxstock/status/683664286741360640
Disgusting from supposed fans. Should all hang their heads in shame. Twitter really does seem to bring out the worst in people.
 
Most fans on social media are not real fans, half of them do not even watch the games let alone go to them. You only have to look at the comments on the facebooks pages to see non of them have a fudging clue.
 
I was sat in the pub watching the game. there were two tables of "young" spurs fans on either side. They didn't stop slating him all game, saying they couldn't believe he was still on the pitch after the substitutions, saying how brick he was. they seemed to think they were watching a "brick" spurs side, though. Ha...
 
I thought that Caroll was probably only just behind Alli as our best player yesterday. I was very disappointed with his performance against Saudi Sportswashing Machine but think that anyone criticising his performance yesterday is doing so simply because they have a pre-conceived idea that he isn't good enough.

Carroll was probably the player who was most involved in the game for either side. He contributed both in an attacking sense and a defensive sense. I would like him to be a little more bold and less safe sometimes, but I think that will come with experience and confidence. I can see why Poch likes him as he works hard, moves the ball quickly, takes up good defensive positions and always moves into space to receive the ball.
 
He's "one of our own" works only in certain ways doesn't it....tbf, those rants are probably no worse than some seen in most OMTs ;)

There's a huge difference though. Carroll is on twitter. So he when opens twitter after having a good game he gets a load of notification on his phone from his twitter mentions (twitter mentions are any tweets that included @tom_carroll92 in the tweet).
So instead of the praise he deserves. He gets message after message of abuse from spurs 'fans'. The bigger and more successful we get the more or these dingdongs we attract from all over the world.
Carroll has sensibly taken to blocking people.

Yesterday after the game he had to deal with being unable to avoid reading messages like these
 
I thought that Caroll was probably only just behind Alli as our best player yesterday. I was very disappointed with his performance against Saudi Sportswashing Machine but think that anyone criticising his performance yesterday is doing so simply because they have a pre-conceived idea that he isn't good enough.

Carroll was probably the player who was most involved in the game for either side. He contributed both in an attacking sense and a defensive sense. I would like him to be a little more bold and less safe sometimes, but I think that will come with experience and confidence. I can see why Poch likes him as he works hard, moves the ball quickly, takes up good defensive positions and always moves into space to receive the ball.

Totally agree that he had a good game. Admittedly, he started to tire around the 75 minute mark, and it probably would have been a good time to bring on Nabil, but considering it was only his 3rd or 4th 90 minutes of the season, you can understand that. For the life of me, I don't understand the criticism an academy player like Carroll gets (and Andros, as well) from our own fans. These are the exact kinds of players we should be supporting most, but they seem to get the most stick. Bentaleb and Mason also got hugely abused in his first seasons, which was a complete joke. If you don't think he's good enough, that's one thing, but if you enjoy slagging off one of our own Academy kids, I don't know why you support Spurs.
 
Just like on forums, in the pub and in the stadium. Stadiums are probably where you have the highest density of people who haven't got a clue about football.

No the biggest ones are those that get their knowledge ( so called) from playing kids games.
 
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