NickTB
Eidur Gudjohnsen
This, 100%
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Toby Alderweireld
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This, 100%
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Question is will his frustration impact on his performance? Looking back there were times last season when his commitment seemed less than 100%, which may have accounted for his increased susceptibility to errors.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
If he rots in the reserves for a year at his age, his career is effectively over
Junior19
Øyvind Leonhardsen
If he is a professional he should channel any frustration into commitment and drive, as Suarez did for Liverpool, Ronaldo for Manchester United when they didn't manage to force their transfers through on first attempt.
It would be nigh on professional suicide for him to sulk and play poorly if the move does not happen this time.
If he is 30 and has ruled the Premier leage and is available for transfer that is one thing. If he is 30, and has been brick and not committed that is quite another thing. He has to perform.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Thats the million dollar question.
As others have said, its certainly in his interests to perform though - Im not sure he can afford to sulk.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
I agree with the sentiment and overall post but didn't we kind of already do that last season by not picking him? And not even having him on the bench? Not saying Sanchez should have been dropped but there were definitely occasions where we needed Toby, i'm thinking Juve in the CL and United in the FA Cup specifically.
Anyway, looks like he is staying put for now so hopefully Poch will reintegrate him into the squad.
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NickTB
Eidur Gudjohnsen
I really can't see he has any choice but to. Playing devils advocate, I wonder if Poch will now feel hard done by having to play a player he effectively benched last season?
Depends how you view it i suppose - i think once Alderwiereld decided he was off Poch prefered to invest time in the player who was going to be here long term
Spur of the moment
Frederic Kanoute
Problem is it's not always possible to know when distraction is affecting you. You may be trying your best but still be unable to achieve what you could before. That is what I am talking about.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
If he wants him gone, we just sell him to Italy over the course of the next 3 weeks.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
I agree with this. Happy to keep the squad as is. We clearly weren’t offered good deals for our players so we stay with what we have. What this means though is we’re hoping Rose, Dembele and Toby stay and keep the level that the rest of the squad is playing to. The whole relentless, push each other on aspect which comes when you are totally committed is something that’s been a big advantage to us for not having the money, but it will be interesting to see how Poch handles this.
Dembele won’t be an issue - other than if he can be fit enough to play. Rose...could go either way. Maybe we’ll still get him out. But Toby, if he doesn’t go to United, we are banking on him not disrupting that squad culture. Not that he would actively seek to disrupt it by causing problems, just that by not being 10000% bought in like the others, it could see standards drop.
Maybe Poch has to alter his management style somewhat this season. Rather than making players over perform through outrageous commitment, we just have to say we have a squad of quality players that other teams wanted and we need to push to win something with them. Not over performing because they are all high level. But it will be a difficult nuance to get right. How to maintain our long term standards while keeping someone like Toby, who doesn’t want to be here, motivated as well.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
And maybe these are just the big boy problems that big clubs face. We’re at a level where not many players would improve us so we may often have to stick with what we have. Can we progress and compete even though not every player will be a 24 year old willing to run through brick walls for the Manager, with ultimate commitment to the plan, and knowing their whole career is ahead of them? Will be interesting!
imcallingbullsh*t
Steven Caulker
Hopefully and think we will get Top4 this year
If thats the case and we can keep Poch for one more yeah thatll be the interesting point for me, we will have settled into the stadium, and will need to replace some of the older players who will be leaving, so will be forced into the market, that will tell us if we go after 50mil or 20mil players
If thats the case and we can keep Poch for one more yeah thatll be the interesting point for me, we will have settled into the stadium, and will need to replace some of the older players who will be leaving, so will be forced into the market, that will tell us if we go after 50mil or 20mil players
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
That’s the thing people are missing under all the hysteria. Once these current players are gone and need replacing, we will absolutely move in the market. And probably have a summer of upheaval (not always great, but at least we’ll make loads of signings!!!).
As of now we’ve kept Dembele, and with Winks, Sissoko and Onomah also able to play that position, we have some depth, although I agree that can be improved. And we’ve kept Toby, so for this year we have great CB depth.
StephenH
David Ginola
He can leave to non UK team anytime in August I believe!
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
I like Sanchez and I’m really glad Poch wasted no time in throwing him into the starting eleven.
Still think we could have also used Toby a lot more in addition to Sanchez and Verts. I honestly believe our relative lack of experience and young side is a factor as to why we sometimes fall short in the biggest games of the season.
Daisuk
Nayim
He has more or less said he was fit for most of the last part of last season's campaign, but could barely get a game, strongly hinting there was something not right there. Hopefully we can put it to bed, offer the guy a new contract, he'll sign, Poch is happy, Toby happy as can be, and we all move on and win the league.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
And replace him with who exactly?