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Thomas Lemar

Finney Is Back said:
Regarding the interesting discussion above and on the previous page(s) about whether a player would rather sign for Spurs or Arsenal....

Generally the only motivating factors for players signing contracts are "how much money will I earn" in first place, ahead of "which country and city will I be living in" in second place, a long, long way behind in their decision making

The statement "I want to leave for for a Champions League club" is used simply because they are the clubs that pay the most money. Additionally clubs that are in the Champions League regularly tend to have the highest exposure and therefore tend to equate to the player being able to achieve bigger personal sponsorship deals.

You can bet everything you have that if West Ham were paying £50k a week players £100k a week then they would get every single player they went for.

Do not be fooled by thinking that players look at anything other than their total wage packet when opting which club to sign for.
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Why do you think our better players aren't handing in transfer requests and have been signing new contracts if it's purely down to money? because most if not all would be converted by much richer clubs than ourselves...
 
"Lemar tottenham have made an approach for you"

"Who tottenham Hotspur that say that they want to challenge for the title and are in the champions league? The same tottenham Hotspur that are in one of the biggest cities and leagues in world?"

"Yes and they would work wonders with young talent"

"Brilliant where do i sign ... wait thats less than what I'm on at the moment and they want to pay me in instalments?"
 
billyiddo said:
Why do you think our better players aren't handing in transfer requests and have been signing new contracts if it's purely down to money? because most if not all would be converted by much richer clubs than ourselves...
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Simple economics....

If we have a player with 3 or 4 years left on their deal then it makes financial sense for them to sign a new contract for more money and add a year to their deal. With that long left on their contracts the club still hold all of the aces in terms of whether or not they can leave the club and the player risks having to stay and still earning the same salary that they earned before.

He is now retired, but my father was a football agent and, believe me, the biggest factor by a long shot for players choosing a club was their pay packet. It probably made up seventy to eighty percent of their decision. If us and Arsenal are in for a player and one of the clubs is offering 25% more then that will be the club the player chooses. As I said before, even if it was West Ham that Arsenal and us were up against and it was West Ham offering the extra 25% then that would be the club that the player joined. Why, for example, do you think that Emirates Marketing Project managed to attract players from Arsenal several years ago when Arsenal were a far bigger club with a better history?
 
Finney Is Back said:
Simple economics....

If we have a player with 3 or 4 years left on their deal then it makes financial sense for them to sign a new contract for more money and add a year to their deal. With that long left on their contracts the club still hold all of the aces in terms of whether or not they can leave the club and the player risks having to stay and still earning the same salary that they earned before.

He is now retired, but my father was a football agent and, believe me, the biggest factor by a long shot for players choosing a club was their pay packet. It probably made up seventy to eighty percent of their decision. If us and Arsenal are in for a player and one of the clubs is offering 25% more then that will be the club the player chooses. As I said before, even if it was West Ham that Arsenal and us were up against and it was West Ham offering the extra 25% then that would be the club that the player joined. Why, for example, do you think that Emirates Marketing Project managed to attract players from Arsenal several years ago when Arsenal were a far bigger club with a better history?
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I can totally believe that.
But if one club is offering maybe 10% more, maybe then it's a very close-run thing.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Simple economics....

If we have a player with 3 or 4 years left on their deal then it makes financial sense for them to sign a new contract for more money and add a year to their deal. With that long left on their contracts the club still hold all of the aces in terms of whether or not they can leave the club and the player risks having to stay and still earning the same salary that they earned before.

He is now retired, but my father was a football agent and, believe me, the biggest factor by a long shot for players choosing a club was their pay packet. It probably made up seventy to eighty percent of their decision. If us and Arsenal are in for a player and one of the clubs is offering 25% more then that will be the club the player chooses. As I said before, even if it was West Ham that Arsenal and us were up against and it was West Ham offering the extra 25% then that would be the club that the player joined. Why, for example, do you think that Emirates Marketing Project managed to attract players from Arsenal several years ago when Arsenal were a far bigger club with a better history?
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Because players dont give a fudge about the past they care about the future and Emirates Marketing Project were showing more ambition than Arsenal to become a top level side and compete for the big prizes.

Don't get me wrong of course i know money is the main factor for players but I don't think it's at such the level that you seem to - im sure its a case of there being a balance between being in an environment you are happy in and a wage you are happy to earn - same with normal jobs and normal people, yeah some people only care about their monthly wage and will be content working a job they don't enjoy if it means they get a bigger pay packet but then also there are those who will work a lesser paying job if they are content with everything else it brings to their life, or preferring to work in a start up business with more control say than at a huge multi national where their wings are clipped, different strokes for different folks... I see no eason why that would be different in football
 
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billyiddo said:
Because players dont give a fudge about the past they care about the future and Emirates Marketing Project were showing more ambition than Arsenal to become a top level side and compete for the big prizes.

Don't get me wrong of course i know money is the main factor for players but I don't think it's at such the level that you seem to - im sure its a case of there being a balance between being in an environment you are happy in and a wage you are happy to earn - same with normal jobs and normal people, yeah some people only care about their monthly wage and will be content working a job they don't enjoy if it means they get a bigger pay packet but then also there are those who will work a lesser paying job if they are content with everything else it brings to their life, or preferring to work in a start up business with more control say than at a huge multi national where their wings are clipped, different strokes for different folks... I see no eason why that would be different in football
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I agree. The parallels to your everyday working Joe are probably still present in football, even if money plays more of a role - there are tons of people who prefer a collegial working environment over a strictly professional one, or a pleasant and open relationship with their colleagues and higher-ups over a toxic workplace. Even if they get paid more to stand it, a surprising percentage of people would prefer to give up the extra money to work at a less stressful place. It doesn't mean they place such considerations above their pay packet, of course - but they value them highly enough to make the premium required to lure them away from such conditions into a more stressful or otherwise antagonistic environment that much bigger.

I mention that because it's probably the biggest thing we have going for us in multiple ways - Poch admittedly works you like a dog, and you're constantly in competition with your colleagues for a starting spot, but there's a collaborative, harmonious atmosphere at the club that I don't think has existed for a long, long time, and the flipside to Poch's training regimen is that you're always assured of a chance if you work hard enough to be there when someone slips a bit. And, of course, the reverse is true as well - the person you replace knows that nothing is permanent and that they can easily get back in if they bring themselves back up to the required standard. Honesty goes a long way, and the youth of our squad ensures a likely level of collegiality that might not exist at a place like Real (where the dressing room is constantly divided into political cliques) or United (where Mourinho deliberately fosters an adversarial atmosphere and picks on players to 'toughen them up', in his eyes).

We don't pay what other clubs do, we're not likely to win as many things as other clubs perhaps are, and we're not particularly famous around the world (I'd suggest we're relatively well known now, but not famous, per se), which limits the commercial potential of any player who chooses to come here over, say, City. But we have some intangibles here that might attract players anyway - although we might have to wait until the end of the window to move in that regard.
 
Gazza said:
"Lemar tottenham have made an approach for you"

"Who tottenham Hotspur that say that they want to challenge for the title and are in the champions league? The same tottenham Hotspur that are in one of the biggest cities and leagues in world?"

"Yes and they would work wonders with young talent"

"Brilliant where do i sign ... wait thats less than what I'm on at the moment and they want to pay me in instalments?"
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That's normally how salaries work
 
DubaiSpur said:
I agree. The parallels to your everyday working Joe are probably still present in football, even if money plays more of a role - there are tons of people who prefer a collegial working environment over a strictly professional one, or a pleasant and open relationship with their colleagues and higher-ups over a toxic workplace. Even if they get paid more to stand it, a surprising percentage of people would prefer to give up the extra money to work at a less stressful place. It doesn't mean they place such considerations above their pay packet, of course - but they value them highly enough to make the premium required to lure them away from such conditions into a more stressful or otherwise antagonistic environment that much bigger.

I mention that because it's probably the biggest thing we have going for us in multiple ways - Poch admittedly works you like a dog, and you're constantly in competition with your colleagues for a starting spot, but there's a collaborative, harmonious atmosphere at the club that I don't think has existed for a long, long time, and the flipside to Poch's training regimen is that you're always assured of a chance if you work hard enough to be there when someone slips a bit. And, of course, the reverse is true as well - the person you replace knows that nothing is permanent and that they can easily get back in if they bring themselves back up to the required standard. Honesty goes a long way, and the youth of our squad ensures a likely level of collegiality that might not exist at a place like Real (where the dressing room is constantly divided into political cliques) or United (where Mourinho deliberately fosters an adversarial atmosphere and picks on players to 'toughen them up', in his eyes).

We don't pay what other clubs do, we're not likely to win as many things as other clubs perhaps are, and we're not particularly famous around the world (I'd suggest we're relatively well known now, but not famous, per se), which limits the commercial potential of any player who chooses to come here over, say, City. But we have some intangibles here that might attract players anyway - although we might have to wait until the end of the window to move in that regard.
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The difference between a footballer and a regular Joe is that the regular Joe will be working for 40+ years. And gets a pension after that. So giving up a bit of salary for a better work environment isn't that big a deal. A footballer has 10 years to earn as much as he can to last him the rest of his life. Very different proposition and why I can see why footballers will take money over work environment any day of the week.
 
alekaras said:
The difference between a footballer and a regular Joe is that the regular Joe will be working for 40+ years. And gets a pension after that. So giving up a bit of salary for a better work environment isn't that big a deal. A footballer has 10 years to earn as much as he can to last him the rest of his life. Very different proposition and why I can see why footballers will take money over work environment any day of the week.
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I think that most of us could survive a lifetime on ten years worth of top end Premier League wages and add ons
 
milo said:
I think that most of us could survive a lifetime on ten years worth of top end Premier League wages and add ons
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We could, but we don't live footballers' lifestyles. Try sustaining their lifestyles for a lifetime on Premier League wages after they're done playing.
 
alekaras said:
The difference between a footballer and a regular Joe is that the regular Joe will be working for 40+ years. And gets a pension after that. So giving up a bit of salary for a better work environment isn't that big a deal. A footballer has 10 years to earn as much as he can to last him the rest of his life. Very different proposition and why I can see why footballers will take money over work environment any day of the week.
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A) Really, more like 15-20 these days. From 16-18 years of age out to your mid-30's.

B) What they earn from twelve to sixteen hours of training and two to four hours of game time per week will still be orders of magnitude more than your regular Joe will earn in his life, even if he spent every waking hour at a toxic environment trying not to off himself. Given that fact, perhaps the work environment is *more* important for footballers, not less, because they can afford to ignore base financial concerns like not starving or not getting onto the property ladder regardless of which high-level club they pick. And especially given that part of their work life involves spending two to four hours every week out on a pitch in front of 30/60/90,000 red-faced gits who will hail you as the messiah one minute and skin you alive like a Fugu fish under the knife of a Japanese chef the next. :p I'd imagine it would be far more pleasant to have the rest of your time at a club be as collegial or open as possible as opposed to going from the anger and often misdirected passion of matchday to the office politics, toxicity and undue competitiveness of a cliquey dressing room and back again - for years on end.
 
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