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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

I respect and appreciate how we have improved in performance and results recently. I said a lot of negative things about Thomas Frank but have always wanted him to succeed as it leads to the best outcome for all parties.

Hopefully now we will be more forward thinking and our results and performances can develop further. I was vocal about wanting Frank out. But realistically it was more about wanting an end to matches in which we regularly saw sub 1xG. We needed to see more and at that point didn’t look like we were progressing.

Now there are clear signs of improvement and a lot of that is down to Thomas Frank. So thank you to him for reviewing our team and then making different choices about our gameplan. Let’s hope that this just the start of a very successful journey. And sorry for jumping ahead but unfortunately, I can be too knee jerk impulsive.
 
El Dante said:
I respect and appreciate how we have improved in performance and results recently. I said a lot of negative things about Thomas Frank but have always wanted him to succeed as it leads to the best outcome for all parties.

Hopefully now we will be more forward thinking and our results and performances can develop further. I was vocal about wanting Frank out. But realistically it was more about wanting an end to matches in which we regularly saw sub 1xG. We needed to see more and at that point didn’t look like we were progressing.

Now there are clear signs of improvement and a lot of that is down to Thomas Frank. So thank you to him for reviewing our team and then making different choices about our gameplan. Let’s hope that this just the start of a very successful journey. And sorry for jumping ahead but unfortunately, I can be too knee jerk impulsive.
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What he can now see is that attack is the best form of defence with our squad
 
why can't it be both, know your best eleven. and have rotation (for competition or keeping things fresh?
we are at the stage where we need to nail down an identity and having a best eleven helps write the playbook as well as sets the standards.

Bullet said:
I heard some people moaning "Frank doesn't seem to know his best eleven"

But that is brilliant news, that is what we are striving for, 2 or 3 players that are equally as good in each position.

Competition for places.

E.g. if everyone was fit and you aren't sure whether to play Xavi or Deki or Maddison, that is FANTASTIC news.

We need to have depth to cover fatigue and avoid injuries.

I don't want Frank to "know his best eleven", I want us to rotate with real ease.

For instance, when Frank set up with both Palhinha and Bentancur, we didn't really have a replacement like for like, whereas playing with just one of them means the other can come on at 65 minutes for the last half hour and see the game out, saving their legs for the hectic schedule.

Ditto if you are unsure whether to play Gray, Sarr or Bergvall, if we can get them all playing to a similar level, that is called OPTIONS and that is what we need. I don't want it to be flippin obvious that Gray should always play, I want them all to be playing to the same standard.

Ditto in every position. Pick the guy that is in form and has fresh legs.

DM = Bentancur or Palhinha
CM = Gray or Sarr or Bergvall
AM = Xavi or Deki or Madders

LW = Richie or Tel or Odobert
ST = Muani or Solanke
RW = Kudus or (Johnson)

LB = Udogie or (newbie)
RB = Porro or Spence

CB = get really strong options for Romero and VdV e.g. Danso / Hincapie levels.

You get the idea.
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metalgear said:
why can't it be both, know your best eleven. and have rotation (for competition or keeping things fresh?
we are at the stage where we need to nail down an identity and having a best eleven helps write the playbook as well as sets the standards.
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We do have both, its just the earlier stages of it, its also doing it with 25% of our best first team out, so its being done with one eye on the future too IMO. With Jan coming, that will invariably change the landscape again.

Footballs a fairly fluid sport
 
Lemonade Money said:
El Dante said:
I respect and appreciate how we have improved in performance and results recently. I said a lot of negative things about Thomas Frank but have always wanted him to succeed as it leads to the best outcome for all parties.

Hopefully now we will be more forward thinking and our results and performances can develop further. I was vocal about wanting Frank out. But realistically it was more about wanting an end to matches in which we regularly saw sub 1xG. We needed to see more and at that point didn’t look like we were progressing.

Now there are clear signs of improvement and a lot of that is down to Thomas Frank. So thank you to him for reviewing our team and then making different choices about our gameplan. Let’s hope that this just the start of a very successful journey. And sorry for jumping ahead but unfortunately, I can be too knee jerk impulsive.
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Honest and heartfelt. Love it.


Lemonade Money said:
*beep, beep, beep* "posters reversing"...
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Everyone here has done so. It's called being a supporter who gives a fudge. Anyone who says they haven't is untrustworthy and a liar ;)
 
thfcsteff said:
Honest and heartfelt. Love it.




Everyone here has done so. It's called being a supporter who gives a fudge. Anyone who says they haven't is untrustworthy and a liar ;)
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I dunno about that. It depends on how quickly you make a judgement. If you make quicker decisions then you are more likely to have changes of heart. If your process is slower and considered you might not.
 
Bishop said:
I dunno about that. It depends on how quickly you make a judgement. If you make quicker decisions then you are more likely to have changes of heart. If your process is slower and considered you might not.
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This becomes another discussion; essentially, you're saying that the speed of a decision made affects the likelihood of changing ones mind. True to a wider degree (there will always be exceptions). You are also suggesting that change might not happen, regardless of experiences along the way.

I will always trust someone who has the courage and vulnerability to say things such as 'sorry I was wrong' and 'I got that one wrong' than people who suggest it doesn't happen to them.

With regards to Frank, the discussions were polarised for sure (surprise!). I think many of the people who backed him unconditionally did so as a general trait of character to give a person time (a damn fine one too) as opposed to based on anything football related. I think many of the criticisms were based in what was happening on the pitch style-wise not results-wise.

I personally always said one thing. I wanted proof this season that he could take the step up in managing a club of this size and expectation whilst playing in a 'Tottenham' way. I continue to hope that is the case and have found recent matches more encouraging in that regard.

BTW I very much appreciate our discussions mate.
 
thfcsteff said:
I personally always said one thing. I wanted proof this season that he could take the step up in managing a club of this size and expectation whilst playing in a 'Tottenham' way. I continue to hope that is the case and have found recent matches more encouraging in that regard.
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Out of interest, did you ever say that about Harry Redknapp? He eventually had over a 30 year career in management and only ever managed one big club for 4 years. Today, Hammers revenue is about 50-60% of ours. It was back then as well even though Harry had gone to the equivalent of Brentford when he was at Saints and Pompey before moving to us. They were under half the size of us in financial terms.

I would encourage fans to think along the lines of Harry when thinking of Frank. It's pretty much the same thing in my opinion.

I'm hoping Frank won't be as out of depth as Harry was though on the bigger picture of being a football "manager". Very good coach but was pretty clueless at the other side of the role which was even more important then. At least Frank has a much bigger leadership layer around him to develop the squad. Harry could never shift his mindset into being a Fergie or Wenger. He was always a Bournemouth manager at heart. Shame we couldn't have had the current leadership structure around Harry.
 
Muttley said:
Out of interest, did you ever say that about Harry Redknapp? He eventually had over a 30 year career in management and only ever managed one big club for 4 years. Today, Hammers revenue is about 50-60% of ours. It was back then as well even though Harry had gone to the equivalent of Brentford when he was at Saints and Pompey before moving to us. They were under half the size of us in financial terms.

I would encourage fans to think along the lines of Harry when thinking of Frank. It's pretty much the same thing in my opinion.

I'm hoping Frank won't be as out of depth as Harry was though on the bigger picture of being a football "manager". Very good coach but was pretty clueless at the other side of the role which was even more important then. At least Frank has a much bigger leadership layer around him to develop the squad. Harry could never shift his mindset into being a Fergie or Wenger. He was always a Bournemouth manager at heart. Shame we couldn't have had the current leadership structure around Harry.
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Well, talk about an act of football hypocrisy! I hated Redknapp, and when he joined us I realised I was going to have to do a FAST about turn.
But the one thing I never doubted was his ability to handle the club and expectations.

For me Frank and Redknapp are actually really different.
He grew up with our double-side, he knew who we were and what we needed to be.
Harry always knew how we had to play, indeed, he had us playing some fantastic stuff and I was grateful for it (his knicker-hitching for the England job really hurt me because I had taken the leap of faith, he had us playing amazing football, I felt we could actually push for the title, then Crapello was out and he started flirting).
With Frank, it was always, always about style of play and who we are. I suppose you have to subscribe to the belief that there is a 'Tottenham way'. I believe there is. And thankfully, it seems he is getting there.

I don't think there's any fear that Frank is nearly a 180 from Harry in terms of management and it's multi-faceted demands. He has all the tools to be a super manager, and again, my personal concern was whether he could start to develop a style befitting of both the club and bigger clubs in general. I really hope he can, because (frankly)in terms of modern football, he ticks a lot of boxes.
 
Muttley said:
Out of interest, did you ever say that about Harry Redknapp? He eventually had over a 30 year career in management and only ever managed one big club for 4 years. Today, Hammers revenue is about 50-60% of ours. It was back then as well even though Harry had gone to the equivalent of Brentford when he was at Saints and Pompey before moving to us. They were under half the size of us in financial terms.

I would encourage fans to think along the lines of Harry when thinking of Frank. It's pretty much the same thing in my opinion.

I'm hoping Frank won't be as out of depth as Harry was though on the bigger picture of being a football "manager". Very good coach but was pretty clueless at the other side of the role which was even more important then. At least Frank has a much bigger leadership layer around him to develop the squad. Harry could never shift his mindset into being a Fergie or Wenger. He was always a Bournemouth manager at heart. Shame we couldn't have had the current leadership structure around Harry.
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Do not get the redknapp reference at all mate
For a start he had won a trophy before joining us
He also had a lot of experience in different environments and different circumstances
Graham Potter would be the nearest example to Frank imo. Had success in Scandinavia and then had a team lunching above their weight
And going back further maybe David Moyes but he did get Everton into the CL
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Do not get the redknapp reference at all mate
For a start he had won a trophy before joining us
He also had a lot of experience in different environments and different circumstances
Graham Potter would be the nearest example to Frank imo. Had success in Scandinavia and then had a team lunching above their weight
And going back further maybe David Moyes but he did get Everton into the CL
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Surprised they Brighton anything if they were lunching above their weight - given this, they seemed surprisingly mobile.
 
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