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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

thfcsteff said:
...yet did anyone consider the potential bounce
of that group coming through some awful times to win the Europa League (that parade feel-good vibe too) or are we so far down the data and stat-driven path that the glorious intangibles which make football (and hopefully, life) worth living are now disregarded and trivialised as 'hocus-pocus lemon aura weirdoism'...how sad that romance and hope when there is a genuine silver reason to have some gets so easily disregarded.
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I truly think that if we had kept Ange the poor results would have continued and we would have just sacked him 5-10 games into the season. Sacking him in the summer just took the initiative on that move.

This bounce you think may have occured would just be a temporary salve. The quality of the squad is neither there in absolute terms and especially wasn't suited to the pin point demands of Ange.

Something that I find a little strange is that despite a second consecutive season of brick results and performances on the back of years of a general downward trend so many think our issues are manager related moreso than they are quality of player related.

I think we are just going to need to see our 3rd manager in 3 seasons next year before it really begins to stick, but I can predict already that whomever that manager is will get criticised first before the realization of the limitations of the squad are accepted.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Didn't you claim we were sleepwalking into relegation last year and wanted to replace Ange with Moyes, if memory serves??
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Nope wasn’t me. Your memory doesn’t serve you well. I didn’t think we were in danger of relegation last year (whereas this year I staked quite a large sum on it happening).

Regarding David Moyes though, I think he is a better manager than Frank by a long way (and Ange too).
 
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MartyFunkhouser said:
Yeh course he is
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You’ve clearly nailed your colours to the mast on this one and it gives me zero pleasure digging at anyone at the club, but honestly, some of the stuff I see written on here on this subject means I unfortunately can’t help myself.. as much as I try not to.

It’s pretty simple for me, If anyone thinks this squad of players should be in a relegation battle then you need to give your heads a right good wobble!
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
You’ve clearly nailed your colours to the mast on this one and it gives me zero pleasure digging at anyone at the club, but honestly, some of the stuff I see written on here on this subject means I unfortunately can’t help myself.. as much as I try not to.

It’s pretty simple for me, If anyone thinks this squad of players should be in a relegation battle then you need to give your heads a right good wobble!
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I don't think anyone thinks that, do they? Seems pretty unanimous that Frank should be sacked if we don't improve
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
You’ve clearly nailed your colours to the mast on this one and it gives me zero pleasure digging at anyone at the club, but honestly, some of the stuff I see written on here on this subject means I unfortunately can’t help myself.. as much as I try not to.

It’s pretty simple for me, If anyone thinks this squad of players should be in a relegation battle then you need to give your heads a right good wobble!
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Its nothing to do with nailing to the mast, its recognition that the issues at the club don't just lay at one guys lap, this has been coming as last season proved. That has nothing to do with Frank being Teflon because he is clearly part of the problem, simply acknowledging the greater issues at play has nothing to do with him being Teflon.

Its like any subject, unless your massively one way or the other your dead it seems, no space for nuance when it comes to Tottenham, despite the people who were spouting the same nuances last year seemingly distancing themselves from them now to be more militant on their views

You can also refute idiotic comparisons of Tel - Richy - Odebert with Mbuemo - Sesko - Cunha and it not be a defence of Frank, you dare say two scenarios are not the same and its met with a chorus of b0llox

Each to their own I suppose
 
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Finney Is Back said:
Nope wasn’t me. Your memory doesn’t serve you well. I didn’t think we were in danger of relegation last year (whereas this year I staked quite a large sum on it happening).

Regarding David Moyes though, I think he is a better manager than Frank by a long way (and Ange too).
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ah Fǔck I actually respect your knowledge and opinion on a lot of things (apart from with Levy where you are wrong) so this has me worried.

When did you put that bet on?
 
Bishop said:
I truly think that if we had kept Ange the poor results would have continued and we would have just sacked him 5-10 games into the season. Sacking him in the summer just took the initiative on that move.

This bounce you think may have occured would just be a temporary salve. The quality of the squad is neither there in absolute terms and especially wasn't suited to the pin point demands of Ange.

Something that I find a little strange is that despite a second consecutive season of brick results and performances on the back of years of a general downward trend so many think our issues are manager related moreso than they are quality of player related.

I think we are just going to need to see our 3rd manager in 3 seasons next year before it really begins to stick, but I can predict already that whomever that manager is will get criticised first before the realization of the limitations of the squad are accepted.
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You are 100% right about Ange

You however are doing exactly what you accuse others of, you are so convinced of the poor squad quality that you refuse to acknowledge Frank is an awful manager (for us), his numbers are beyond question now, he's worse than Gross, Ramos, you name it, he's worse than Amorim, Potter at Chelsea, literally no one has done worse.

Lets assume we are both correct
- Frank is brick
- Squad is brick

The ownership can fix one right now

The interim should be tasked with two things, get 9 more points and get the squad fit for next season.

I actually think the next manager (if we pick right, yes big if) will have an easy ride for first season
- No Europe, so less games
- Hopefully fit squad, Maddison, Deki, Kudus, fit Solanke, Xavi with a season under his belt.
- Owners will probably feel obligated to make some kind of investment over summer
- Top 8 and winning a few games at home will feel like massive success due to the bar being reset so low for two seasons.
 
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MartyFunkhouser said:
Its nothing to do with nailing to the mast, its recognition that the issues at the club don't just lay at one guys lap, this has been coming as last season proved. That has nothing to do with Frank being Teflon because he is clearly part of the problem, simply acknowledging the greater issues at play has nothing to do with him being Teflon.

Its like any subject, unless your massively one way or the other your dead it seems, no space for nuance when it comes to Tottenham, despite the people who were spouting the same nuances last year seemingly distancing themselves from them now to be more militant on their views

You can also refute idiotic comparisons of Tel - Richy - Odebert with Mbuemo - Sesko - Cunha and it not be a defence of Frank, you dare say two scenarios are not the same and its met with a chorus of b0llox.

Each to their own I suppose
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I’ve no idea how any of that relates to my post?

Should this squad be in a relegation battle?
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
I’ve no idea how any of that relates to my post?

Should this squad be in a relegation battle?
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Its called expansion on the point that he is supposedly Teflon and I have nailed my colours to the mast

Given it was last year, in almost identical scenario, now much worse with more senior players out, kids with absolute no track record let alone experience thrown at it, then I would say it would be more likely than a CL place push
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Its called expansion on the point that he is supposedly Teflon and I have nailed my colours to the mast

Given it was last year, in almost identical scenario, in fact now much worse with more senior players out and kids with absolute no track record let alone experience thrown at it, then I would say it would be more likely than its not.
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Then we completely and utterly disagree and we’d be wasting each others time with a back and forth on the point.
 
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