Thomas Frank - Head Coach

[totalspurs]

Big clubs sack underperforming managers. Chelsea, United and Madrid have all done so in the last few days.

The only one of the above who didn't deserve it (the others should never have been appointed in the first place) was the top one.

Maybe the others shouldn't have been appointed, but they were. And that's what we did to them.
Poch and Nuno were sacked because we tapped up the next shiny thing.
Ang... well he kept saying that he wanted to change the culture of the club, from being sad cases and into winners...and he did. So we should have seen what the next step in the process was going to look like. But we didn't give him a chance. Poch said the same, that we've finished a five year plan, now we need to start again with the next five year plan.
Mourinio wanted to get a trophy, to add to his collection and WE denied him the opportunity.
Nuno only got 17 games... because Conte said "I've had a rest and I'm available now"...

Sometimes (maybe all the time) we bring this on ourselves.

 

[elyid]

Just realised we’re not a charity. Why is this useless taco still here?

Trust the process? He needs time?

That only applies to either someone who has demonstrated success in the past, or someone who is showing progress on the pitch.

Genuinely think we are worse than if we had no manager — at least then the players would just play, rather than just hoping on a Porro cross as they are clearly instructed (and will never ever work)

Get rid of him now…today. fudge him, we’re Tottenham Hotspur, not a learning centre for the soft and clueless.

 

[djp82]

Just realised we’re not a charity. Why is this useless taco still here?

Trust the process? He needs time?

That only applies to either someone who has demonstrated success in the past, or someone who is showing progress on the pitch.

Genuinely think we are worse than if we had no manager — at least then the players would just play, rather than just hoping on a Porro cross as they are clearly instructed (and will never ever work)

Get rid of him now…today. fudge him, we’re Tottenham Hotspur, not a learning centre for the soft and clueless.

The top line could be levelled at a good chunk of the players.

Frank was never correct man for the job also.

 

[elyid]

I just think we have bad JuJu... and that's due to how we treat managers imo.

We should never have sacked Poch...full stop.
We should never have sacked Mourinio before the final.
We should never have sacked Nuno for shiny Conte.
We should never have sacked Ang after he won us a trophy after 14 years.

I swear we have a curse on us, caused by treating people badly...

I think Nuno was the correct decision.

But the others weren’t, and still can’t believe we sack Mourinho before a final. Winning one-off games is his main skill ffs grrrrrr

 

[elyid]

The top line could be levelled at a good chunk of the players.

Frank was never correct man for the job also.

But then we need a manager to shoot a rocket up their arses. We have seen glimpses then when the chips are down we can perform, it’s just all too comfortable…pass it around slowly, run back slowly. Oh we lost again? Doesn’t matter. And repeat.

 

[Raziel]

Out played again by a truly dross team

fudging ridiculous subs, taking Tel off and leaving RKM for the 90 is a fudging crime, and the deciding which of your long throw merchants you were bring on (Danso and Bergvall were both lined up to come on)

The only tactic is 50+ crosses a half into a box with one target ..

And conceding 2 goals and a xG of >3 against this West Ham

While another team that was supposedly terrible, replaces their manager with a caretaker and plays one of the best teams in the league and turns in a performance.

 

[djp82]

But then we need a manager to shoot a rocket up their arses. We have seen glimpses then when the chips are down we can perform, it’s just all too comfortable…pass it around slowly, run back slowly. Oh we lost again? Doesn’t matter. And repeat.

Agreed about the effort. We lack quality tho. Our midfield has no creativity in it. None. We need quality. Or it’s rinse and repeat. That’s in a few areas. Or all infact. Vicario what a downgrade on Lloris at his peak. Etc etc etc in all areas.

Quality of our squads been in decline for a decade.
Even Romero and VDV our supposedly world class centre backs. They are not. Both have good quality’s but neither are the all round package.

 

[bourbons&spurs]

Usually I go through near fits of rage after results like this, but it has gotten to the point I don't even react, not even numb, I just expect it.

When im my head I was comparing this to 2008 when we had Ramos. But it's far worse than that, it's like the days of
Pleat's interim season (2003/04), that lot are running away with the league, whilst we collapse in a horrific heap. This time though, there is a world cup winner and europa league winners in the team. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

I feel for Frank, i really do, he has walked into a complete sh!t show. However, he has to go. This is like george graham on roids drowing kittens.

 

[harr1984]

Agreed about the effort. We lack quality tho. Our midfield has no creativity in it. None. We need quality. Or it’s rinse and repeat. That’s in a few areas. Or all infact. Vicario what a downgrade on Lloris at his peak. Etc etc etc in all areas.

Quality of our squads been in decline for a decade.
Even Romero and VDV our supposedly world class centre backs. They are not. Both have good quality’s but neither are the all round package.

Sorry but just can't agree with this, we have players who can create. Simons has shown it on plenty of occasions at previous clubs and at a high level, Bergvall can create in his own way albeit he is raw, Muani clearly has skill but looks disinterested and I can't really blame him with the football being attempted to be played. Kudus can but didn't show much of it with the way we play either.

Our players might not be top of the class, but we certainly have players who can do bits and if we're drilled better would be looking a hell of a lot better than they do right now....

 

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[elyid]

Agreed about the effort. We lack quality tho. Our midfield has no creativity in it. None. We need quality. Or it’s rinse and repeat. That’s in a few areas. Or all infact. Vicario what a downgrade on Lloris at his peak. Etc etc etc in all areas.

Quality of our squads been in decline for a decade.
Even Romero and VDV our supposedly world class centre backs. They are not. Both have good quality’s but neither are the all round package.

Agree our squad has declined, but that was a top 4 / CL squad.

We’re still good enough to mitigate deficiencies via good tactics and organisation. We are completely rudderless, and the manager actively wants to stifle this by having the most basic game plan of any manager in the league.

 

[SissokoWasGood (BoL)]

I just think we have bad JuJu... and that's due to how we treat managers imo.

We should never have sacked Poch...full stop.
We should never have sacked Mourinio before the final.
We should never have sacked Nuno for shiny Conte.
We should never have sacked Ang after he won us a trophy after 14 years.

I swear we have a curse on us, caused by treating people badly...

I genuinely can’t think of another club that sacked a manager that has a tangible recent success, where the players were still enthusiastically behind that manager. I guess Maresca could be argued, but were the players enthusiastically as behind him?

And I I think that genuinely contributes to making Frank’s job harder. The performances are horrendous. And it’s hard to argue with the takes that this is one of the worst coached sides we’ve seen in a while. And I don’t think that’s because Frank is a bad coach, but there is something seriously wrong with what we’re seeing. They don’t look like they know what they’re doing. Whether it’s confidence, uncertainty, playing in that atmosphere, or just being thoroughly ill suited to what Frank wants, I don’t know. But it’s dreadful right now.

And I think part of that is sacking a manager who had an approach that the squad believed in, for one that is unproven at this level, with our context. Just utterly bizarre.

 

[djp82]

Sorry but just can't agree with this, we have players who can create. Simons has shown it on plenty of occasions at previous clubs and at a high level, Bergvall can create in his own way albeit he is raw, Muani clearly has skill but looks disinterested and I can't really blame him with the football being attempted to be played. Kudus can but didn't show much of it with the way we play either.

Our players might not be top of the class, but we certainly have players who can do bits and if we're drilled better would be looking a hell of a lot better than they do right now....

Muani and Xavi are here ? Why ? Careers have stalled. Simple as that.

Xavi was highly rated as a youngster . He’s failed to deliver top performances consistently.

Yes there maybe flashes so what ?

Top performers deliver consistent performances even under bad managers and in pony sides. See Kane with us under Conte , Jose.

Bergvail the jury is still out. I don’t see it yet but that’s me.

I was not trying to defend Frank. I’m just saying it’s all a bit of a combination of mid table squad and manager after years of decline.

Lots of little problems lead to big problems.

 

[Finney Is Back]

I just think we have bad JuJu... and that's due to how we treat managers imo.

We should never have sacked Poch...full stop.
We should never have sacked Mourinio before the final.
We should never have sacked Nuno for shiny Conte.
We should never have sacked Ang after he won us a trophy after 14 years.

I swear we have a curse on us, caused by treating people badly...

Finally though we have a manager we should sack but haven’t?

 

[harr1984]

Muani and Xavi are here ? Why ? Careers have stalled. Simple as that.

Xavi was highly rated as a youngster . He’s failed to deliver top performances consistently.

Yes there maybe flashes so what ?

Top performers deliver consistent performances even under bad managers and in pony sides. See Kane with us under Conte , Jose.

Bergvail the jury is still out. I don’t see it yet but that’s me.

Nope. I watched a lot of Simons in Germany, he got 10 goals and 6 assists last season in the league alone. Hes a very good technical player, and is made to look worse than he is because of this setup which does nothing for any attacking player.

Muani has also been good in the past for Juve and Frankfurt, and yet looks so poor here - hmmm what's the common denominator I wonder?

We can debate all night, if you think no manager can get a better tune out of these attacking players than Frank then we simply aren't going to agree....

 

[djp82]

Nope. I watched a lot of Simons in Germany, he got 10 goals and 6 assists last season in the league alone. Hes a very good technical player, and is made to look worse than he is because of this setup which does nothing for any attacking player.

Muani has also been good in the past for Juve and Frankfurt, and yet looks so poor here - hmmm what's the common denominator I wonder?

We can debate all night, if you think no manager can get a better tune out of these attacking players than Frank then we simply aren't going to agree....

Germany is not the Prem. Luiz Dias said it was easy compared to Prem. Loads of time and space. Kanes getting on now and taking the tinkle out of that league.

Maybe a new manager could get a tune out them. Who knows. They are not top draw players. That’s all I’m saying. Not in my view.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Germany is not the Prem. Luiz Dias said it was easy compared to Prem. Loads of time and space. Kanes getting on now and taking the tinkle out of that league.

Maybe a new manager could get a tune out them. Who knows. They are not top draw players. That’s all I’m saying. Not in my view.

Kane is a brilliant centre forward who would also be taking the tinkle in this league if playing for a good team.

 

[djp82]

Kane is a brilliant centre forward who would also be taking the tinkle in this league if playing for a good team.

Yes he would but he’d have a much tougher time of it.32 now so no spring chicken.

 

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I wouldn't want him managing us, but I do love him.

 

[SissokoWasGood (BoL)]

Nope. I watched a lot of Simons in Germany, he got 10 goals and 6 assists last season in the league alone. Hes a very good technical player, and is made to look worse than he is because of this setup which does nothing for any attacking player.

Muani has also been good in the past for Juve and Frankfurt, and yet looks so poor here - hmmm what's the common denominator I wonder?

We can debate all night, if you think no manager can get a better tune out of these attacking players than Frank then we simply aren't going to agree....

The ‘our players are brick’ argument is just bonkers. They are all full internationals right now. They are clearly not as bad as they are showing right now. They are not so bad to be losing at home to West Ham and not playing barely a through ball all season. The issue is bigger than that. But the players in a better atmosphere, in a different system, would look perfectly fine.