Thomas Frank - Head Coach

[braineclipse]

If you keep conceding the same goal, like we did with unmarked men at the far post last season, you need to dedicate someone to stop that, even if that is the only thing they do.

A way of stopping the unmarked men at the far post would be to dedicate someone to stop that - like having the central midfielders drop deeper earlier so there's more players defending the box if the attack ends with a cross.

Oh, new problem arises. Not enough pressure on shots from outside the box.

We need a cohesive way of playing accepting that with any approach there will be risks and downsides.

 

[Baleforce]

A way of stopping the unmarked men at the far post would be to dedicate someone to stop that - like having the central midfielders drop deeper earlier so there's more players defending the box if the attack ends with a cross.

Oh, new problem arises. Not enough pressure on shots from outside the box.

We need a cohesive way of playing accepting that with any approach there will be risks and downsides.

Yes, but it’s cat and mouse, if we don’t eradicate that which hurts us, teams will attack that weakness.

 

[mudshark]

I assume "...not a quick fix" is code for "I need players."

 

[paxtonwolf]

I assume "...not a quick fix" is code for "I need players."

I dont see the club spending big in Jan. I am getting a feeling he is already on borrowed time. Rightly or wrongly I think he will be here to end of the season but then thats it, unless there is an amazing upturn in form or a FA Cup in the bag. (But having pulled Villa in the 3rd round, a place in the 4th round is looking a touch doubtful)

 

[Legohamster]

I dont see the club spending big in Jan. I am getting a feeling he is already on borrowed time. Rightly or wrongly I think he will be here to end of the season but then thats it, unless there is an amazing upturn in form or a FA Cup in the bag. (But having pulled Villa in the 3rd round, a place in the 4th round is looking a touch doubtful)

The club needs to spend big, whoever the manager is.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

The club needs to spend big, whoever the manager is.

How do you back Frank from what you have seen ?
I’d love to be a fly on the wall when he says what he needs

 

[Gazza]

New shiny toy in Oliver Glaser

 

[Surfless]

I find it remarkable that people seem to be writing the guy off when this blueprint has been followed countless times.

If we don't give him time its another new dawn, 10 games of good then the players slip back into the old mistakes and lazy spells

If we sack him then another high calibre manager will go off and win things at other clubs, citing Spurs as the "only club I had a problem"

If we sack him then we need another round of bedding in, another season of chaos.


Ange deserved to keep his job after last season, and should have been given the chance, but as the club elected to make a change, across the whole footballing setup, it was practical to release him on a high. Thomas Frank has very clearly established methods, and to suggest that he's not going to get it right indicates either a short termism mindset (which we really can't have when you look at Woolwich and what patience achieved there) or a lack of understanding of what turns a football team into a success. We can't just give people 18 months and expect miracles - we're not funded that way and football doesn't work that way.

I accept there is also a third option which is the manager isn't good enough, but he's managed for years in the same league, has won admirers up and down the land for his abilities, so this is absolutely time to acknowledge the club are the problem not him.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I find it remarkable that people seem to be writing the guy off when this blueprint has been followed countless times.

If we don't give him time its another new dawn, 10 games of good then the players slip back into the old mistakes and lazy spells

If we sack him then another high calibre manager will go off and win things at other clubs, citing Spurs as the "only club I had a problem"

If we sack him then we need another round of bedding in, another season of chaos.


Ange deserved to keep his job after last season, and should have been given the chance, but as the club elected to make a change, across the whole footballing setup, it was practical to release him on a high. Thomas Frank has very clearly established methods, and to suggest that he's not going to get it right indicates either a short termism mindset (which we really can't have when you look at Woolwich and what patience achieved there) or a lack of understanding of what turns a football team into a success. We can't just give people 18 months and expect miracles - we're not funded that way and football doesn't work that way.

I accept there is also a third option which is the manager isn't good enough, but he's managed for years in the same league, has won admirers up and down the land for his abilities, so this is absolutely time to acknowledge the club are the problem not him.

You think he will go and win things elsewhere?

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

How do you back Frank from what you have seen ?
I’d love to be a fly on the wall when he says what he needs

I think you are starting to lay it on slight too thick based on assumptions here.

We know eve as fans what we need as a club and depth of player, to make out the club doesn't or Frank can't articulate it is really strange mate.

 

[Surfless]

You think he will go and win things elsewhere?

Yes I do, but if you are at all unsure as to our track record then have a read:

Ange - Sacked the first manager in a generation to win us something
Conte - Scudetto - Napoli - 2025
Nuno - took Forest into Europe for the first time in 30 years
Mourinho - Europa League - 2022
Poch - Ligue 1 - 2022

We just end up looking like the idiots each time.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think you are starting to lay it on slight too thick based on assumptions here.

We know eve as fans what we need as a club and depth of player, to make out the club doesn't or Frank can't articulate it is really strange mate.

No
I have literally said how do you back him
It’s a question
Appreciate the people want to defend Frank. I’m not even criticising him there
Im asking how
What do you suggest?
What we know is he likes his players to be physical. He doesn’t seem to value ball players and that hasn’t been something he has signed in the past.
So what do you think?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Yes I do, but if you are at all unsure as to our track record then have a read:

Ange - Sacked the first manager in a generation to win us something
Conte - Scudetto - Napoli - 2025
Nuno - took Forest into Europe for the first time in 30 years
Mourinho - Europa League - 2022
Poch - Ligue 1 - 2022

We just end up looking like the idiots each time.

I know who the managers have done since leaving
But for context….
Ange had won trophies before
Conte had won trophies before
Mou had won trophies before
Poch hadn’t… fair. Did win the title in France with PSG (huge context needed)
Nuno hasn’t won a trophy big you can argue he did get forest their highest ousting in years. And by default Frank did the same with Brentford
If we sack Frank I could see him going to a European side and maybe do something but I can’t see a top side appointing him
There are reasons why United and Chelsea didn’t take him, and I don’t know what they are

 

[harr1984]

Yes I do, but if you are at all unsure as to our track record then have a read:

Ange - Sacked the first manager in a generation to win us something
Conte - Scudetto - Napoli - 2025
Nuno - took Forest into Europe for the first time in 30 years
Mourinho - Europa League - 2022
Poch - Ligue 1 - 2022

We just end up looking like the idiots each time.

It's about being the right manager for a club. Conte and Jose win/won things but they were never going to be right for this club. Nuno is a respectable manager but hasn't won anything of note and his style of football was again not going to succeed here and is more 'acceptable' at the lower level of clubs he manages at.

Personally I was ok with giving Ange this season considering what he had just won for us, but at the same time accepted the clubs decision. The one that was a bad decision from that list was Poch....

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

No
I have literally said how do you back him
It’s a question
Appreciate the people want to defend Frank. I’m not even criticising him there
Im asking how
What do you suggest?
What we know is he likes his players to be physical. He doesn’t seem to value ball players and that hasn’t been something he has signed in the past.
So what do you think?

You back him with better quality, you back him with depth where we are playing a RB at LB. Regardless if Frank is our manager clubs work with future managers in mind, they will at the very least, considering we have two heads of strategy or whatever BS title they share, know what we need as a club regardless

You are not a silly bloke, you know as much as anyone what we need and where need need surgery.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

You back him with better quality, you back him with depth where we are playing a RB at LB. Regardless if Frank is our manager clubs work with future managers in mind, they will at the very least, considering we have two heads of strategy or whatever BS title they share, know what we need as a club regardless

You are not a silly bloke, you know as much as anyone what we need and where need need surgery.

I know what I think is needed
A left back would be massive
Said it loads
Beyond that a ball playing CM, Anderson would be the signing of throw the money at big I’m not convinced he would want to play here currently

The rumours are he is focussing on more attackers. I don’t know if that’s true but that feels mad to me as we have no way of getting the ball to the with the players we have today unless we’re gonna go route 1, which can work with the right players

 

[Mikey10]

I assume "...not a quick fix" is code for "I need players."

Same thing all of our recent managers, including Poch, have said.

How do you back Frank from what you have seen ?
I’d love to be a fly on the wall when he says what he needs

We never properly back anyone, so no reason to think we’ll back this one - nor to think we’ll back the next sucker.

New shiny toy in Oliver Glaser

I think I saw a stat recently that suggests that his system is one of the most defensively-minded in European football?

That would go down well here.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I think I saw a stat recently that suggests that his system is one of the most defensively-minded in European football?

That would go down well here.

I like the guy alot, they were very well coached from what I saw, but for our fans, it would be a return to Conte, its very pace on the counter, I liked what I saw TBH but its def a counter system or was at least last year.

Whatever we do next will take time, time seems a commodity our fans are unwilling to trade in

 

[Bishop]

We’ve been a bottom 6 club over the past 82 PL games stretching back 26 months, so it should come as no surprise that a couple of opportunistic signings haven’t suddenly transformed us into CL challengers.

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This post needs to be quoted and reposted in every post a out our performances.

This is our truth the fan base just needs to catch up with reality.

 

[Yiddo]

You can clearly see the players are just not good enough. Name me 3 of our players that replace anyone in the Villa squad let alone City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool?