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The *WHEN* we go down thread

DeanoAustin said:
F**k it, I’ll say it now. I don’t think we are going down. Our form has to turn and it will. This team has more than enough ability to get out of the mess and we have a good manager in place to get something good out of them. These lads have what BoL described as the yips when it comes to PL wins. One good result changes that IMO.

If I’m wrong, bring me back to this post but, in my opinion, this is the bottom. The nadir of my Tottenham supporting days. We’ll look back in years to come and say “remember that week when we were in the relegation zone in April, that was scary and mad wasn’t it”.

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Jeez I hope you’re right and could you send some of that optimism my way. I’ve just spent the past hour brooding over the brick performances and bizarre refereeing decisions we’ve seen since beginning of December
 
DeanoAustin said:
F**k it, I’ll say it now. I don’t think we are going down. Our form has to turn and it will. This team has more than enough ability to get out of the mess and we have a good manager in place to get something good out of them. These lads have what BoL described as the yips when it comes to PL wins. One good result changes that IMO.

If I’m wrong, bring me back to this post but, in my opinion, this is the bottom. The nadir of my Tottenham supporting days. We’ll look back in years to come and say “remember that week when we were in the relegation zone in April, that was scary and mad wasn’t it”.

COYS
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I hope you are right, since the Saudi Sportswashing Machine game I think we have been gone.
Even if we do run some form we are going to get fudged over by someone, this is written now, we are not going to be allowed to stay up.
 
Diamond Lights said:
I fudging hate Tottenham.

dont disagree with this. Up and down the league and commentators are DESPERATE to see us go down.

But it still comes down to the top of the house. As i've said time and time again, if you want to act like Brighton, charge Brighton prices. Instead we charge the second highest prices in the league and fleece the fans continously, buying children to try and finish high in the PL. Eaten alive.

Truly, they should study this in the generations to come about mismanagement and the dangers that come with it. Unfortunately we are the ones that suffer.
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To drop on a discussion from another thread we look like a PE buyout who have put in a boardroom management team who were successful in a totally different field and expect their methods to work.
Not all business environments are the same, selling 5 million loaves of bread is not the same as running a football club.
 
glasgowspur said:
I hope you are right, since the Saudi Sportswashing Machine game I think we have been gone.
Even if we do run some form we are going to get fudged over by someone, this is written now, we are not going to be allowed to stay up.
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I’m down to having a little bit of faith in RdZ and a strong belief that the law of averages has to kick in at some point. What’s happening to us is pretty much unprecedented. It defies all logic.
 
I will say, as a fan of the NBA as well as football, relegation doesn’t scare me as much. Obviously they don’t have relegation so those teams are protected, but these teams regularly trade away star players for draft picks and start rebuilding phases. We would just be going through an extreme version of it but should have too much in the Championship.

It’s a shame we have to a rebuild, because I think there was no need after winning the Europa. But the culture was destroyed. But if we do, I think we’re going to rebuild with a fantastic young core that will make use of our academy graduates and the long term signings we have made. And we’ll do it in a league where we will get used to winning again. And then we will be back.

A big part of me is hugely frustrated we will have to go through this. But if / when we go down, we can rebuild. Especially if we have RDZ, I think we should have too much for the league. It will be a new culture, with new playing principles embedded. Completely ridiculous that a club our size potentially has to go through this, but here we are.
 
clownfoot said:
In an ideal world Lange and VV aren’t at the club past the final whistle against Everton, regardless of what league we’re in next year. Useless planks who are too scared to make a decision and come primed with excuses.

The Nepos on the other hand? The rumours of them wanting to sell will be up in the air now as the price of the club will be drastically less than it currently is if we’re relegated.

Years of downward trajectory sped up by an injury crisis with no one willing to take responsibility. Laughably bad way to run a club
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In an ideal world, neither should have been even close to being here!
 
glasgowspur said:
To drop on a discussion from another thread we look like a PE buyout who have put in a boardroom management team who were successful in a totally different field and expect their methods to work.
Not all business environments are the same, selling 5 million loaves of bread is not the same as running a football club.
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If you are Emirates Marketing Project you would bake and then sell 5 million loaves to yourself at a profit.

Chelsea would do the same but they also wouldn’t even bother making the loaves.
 
treepits said:
Jeez I hope you’re right and could you send some of that optimism my way. I’ve just spent the past hour brooding over the brick performances and bizarre refereeing decisions we’ve seen since beginning of December
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I get it mate. It's causing me all sorts of stress and bad thoughts today after 3 weeks of relative calm.

I'm seeing an awful lot of "we're down, it's done" from fans online and in the real world. Objectively, it's a stupid opinion. We're two points from safety with 18 to play for. Far, far worse situations have been turned around with worse squads. Admittedly, the form is the strongest argument against mine but I just can't see how something doesn't break our way soon. It just has to - this is completely unprecedented.

For the people saying we're down, I think it's a rush to be proven right ("I knew it weeks ago") and a coping mechanism. However, if we want the players to have a strong mentality, we shouldn't be feeling sorry for ourselves or throwing in the towel yet. The negativity online and the negativity in the stadium feeds into the narrative that we're down.

We're still fighting for survival. We still have a good shot at it - I'm going to hope until it's mathematically impossible. Otherwise, there's no point even watching/attending the games.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I get it mate. It's causing me all sorts of stress and bad thoughts today after 3 weeks of relative calm.

I'm seeing an awful lot of "we're down, it's done" from fans online and in the real world. Objectively, it's a stupid opinion. We're two points from safety with 18 to play for. Far, far worse situations have been turned around with worse squads. Admittedly, the form is the strongest argument against mine but I just can't see how something doesn't break our way soon. It just has to - this is completely unprecedented.

For the people saying we're down, I think it's a rush to be proven right ("I knew it weeks ago") and a coping mechanism. However, if we want the players to have a strong mentality, we shouldn't be feeling sorry for ourselves or throwing in the towel yet. The negativity online and the negativity in the stadium feeds into the narrative that we're down.

We're still fighting for survival. We still have a good shot at it - I'm going to hope until it's mathematically impossible. Otherwise, there's no point even watching/attending the games.
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Beautiful, wasn’t it!
 
DeanoAustin said:
I get it mate. It's causing me all sorts of stress and bad thoughts today after 3 weeks of relative calm.

I'm seeing an awful lot of "we're down, it's done" from fans online and in the real world. Objectively, it's a stupid opinion. We're two points from safety with 18 to play for. Far, far worse situations have been turned around with worse squads. Admittedly, the form is the strongest argument against mine but I just can't see how something doesn't break our way soon. It just has to - this is completely unprecedented.

For the people saying we're down, I think it's a rush to be proven right ("I knew it weeks ago") and a coping mechanism. However, if we want the players to have a strong mentality, we shouldn't be feeling sorry for ourselves or throwing in the towel yet. The negativity online and the negativity in the stadium feeds into the narrative that we're down.

We're still fighting for survival. We still have a good shot at it - I'm going to hope until it's mathematically impossible. Otherwise, there's no point even watching/attending the games.
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You're right!! Ok, fudge it - I'm back in the 'we're staying up' camp
 
I saw some green shoots vs Sunderland and they are not a bad team. I think if we drop Gallagher for Sarr and anyone else not doing it on match day reacting quicker we will be better.

It’s not that I don’t rate Romero but his heads gone , Danso coming in makes me more confident
 
DeanoAustin said:
F**k it, I’ll say it now. I don’t think we are going down. Our form has to turn and it will. This team has more than enough ability to get out of the mess and we have a good manager in place to get something good out of them. These lads have what BoL described as the yips when it comes to PL wins. One good result changes that IMO.

If I’m wrong, bring me back to this post but, in my opinion, this is the bottom. The nadir of my Tottenham supporting days. We’ll look back in years to come and say “remember that week when we were in the relegation zone in April, that was scary and mad wasn’t it”.

COYS
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Preach brother preach👍. I still believe we will stay up as well.
 
We need to establish who the best finisher is at the club and get them playing as close to the goal as possible.

Right now it appears to be VDV.
 
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