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Justin Edinburgh
That Jasper fella' has spouted off a load of depressing , anti Levy/ENIC ITK. Too much malarky to post in here and not exactly interesting.
I want this sodding window to end!
I want this sodding window to end!
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The We8Campbell Memorial ITK Thread
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Indeed a load of crap. It can all be summed up in: Levy needs to spend more or AVB might get unhappy.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Pretty much the exact same story as this from a month ago
http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3941...sions-rise-as-tottenham-prepare-for-transfer-
Wasn't the easiest to figure who said what, but here it is. Strikes me as mostly opinionated ramblings from someone who disagrees with the way Levy runs the club:
My take is that sponsorship deals such as stadium naming rights and shirt deals are being negotiated and these depend on the club selling its medium-term vision to companies big enough to spend big on us.
We have to attract big names. This means great performance on the pitch. This means investment in players.
We have to buy these players and we also have to pay for the NDP.
We have limited funds.
It's a tricky time!
100% bang on but not really tricky tbf. Bigger problem if AVB continues to do well, refuse to sign extension in summer then bigger problems than what they have now. This time the fans will see it is all the board and DL and there will be no more places to hide or people to blame. Simple as that!
there is a sense in your posts that AVB is irked by a failure to get his players in. do you get the sense that he is feeling a little bit 'bait and switch' with DL, or do you think he understood the constraints of our system when he signed up?
Stitched up is more to the point, and not being backed with his players. Promises broken, and here I go public in saying he expected either William or Mouts this window and was assured that. Also remember he is very close with both players, selling clubs and their agents, so he knows the truth.
Over a few hundred thousand we are haggling with Shalke, that is how crap it is. I say this to see it leaked and the board do something.
Because of what I know my opinion is we are seen as kind of thick knob heads. There you go i have said it, thats right, we are seen as knob heads.
Who? The fans, or Levy and the Club...and by whom? Potential sponsors?
Fans my friend, the sponsors are there but we are not Harrods, so you cannot ask Harrods prices based in Knightsbridge. Therefore we need the money as we have not much so the financier/sponsor's terms within reason.
Sounds very worrying to be honest, and as if we are not going to sign anybody this window
Yes we will I believe, two players is in the pipeline, one we all know and the other is a choice of 3-4, but there is where friction has stepped in. I have shared this and what those frictions are with sources with a selected few so please no pm's asking.
So Holtby and 1 of 3-4 others. Hmm, i dont think it will be a striker then
AVB wants Holtby, another DM, and a striker that will not cost more than 10M. In the summer he will settle for one more, with a sale to achieve another is how i understand it.
Thank Jasper.
Do you mean a striker costing up to 10 million, or both a DM and striker costing a combined 10 million?
STRIKER NOT EXCEEDING 10M (SORRY FOR CAP LOCKS NOT SHOUTING)
Cheers for this Jasper. I totally agree that losong AVB would be the worst possible thing, i honestly can't think of anyone I'd rather have.
Hopefully we can sneak top 4 this year then give him more control/the players he wants.
Top 4! Top 3! Top 2! Will make no difference to how the board thinks as a whole, they will say 'you achieved it with our model...so carry on and we still will not but a William/Moutinho' for example. Offering the price is one thing. And there are ways around 3rd Party ownership-Pay by agreement then there is no more, they then contract with the player and agent and receive fees et el. How hard is that may I ask. That is what most clubs in EPL are doing and get around it.
It all sounds a bit depressing to me. I just want our club/team to improve and have stability. It will be good if we could have the same manager for more than 3 years but isn't looking promising with what has been said by Jasper.
And I stand by every single letter in every single word. About time now we start to see things the way they are, and if anyone on here is connected to the club there is absolutely no way you can refute what I have just said by form of 'opinion'.
When asked about if we had sponsorship agreed.
No not at all, he is struggling to get the prices he wants.
its a very complicated situation. the club in its own right is rich. we are quite well run and do things in the right way.
we have major issues right now. the club effed up last season when ch leauge was a sure thing. firstly harry stitched us. then we failed to back him with players to take us over the nn means they dont need to spend big and lower expectations. what happens then is the boss is expected to work mirackes with what he has and if he gets fourth all good but the club wont go all out. even when we are in champs we wont spend as the boss is given squad players to covepr the season.
dont expect this to change.
now to the major prob. no naming rights. until this is done nowt will be happening. the club wont do the ndp without the rights. one issue is 'selling' the club to interested parties. as jasper said we want big money but r acting smalltime. we dont spend big we dont go all out we dont win things we hardly get top 4 we have no top asian or m e players so no real exposure or connection with the rich or interested.
we are doing brand work but not in the right places. buying the korean guy might be an idea we need exposure. so to an interested party we do none of the above and to make matters worse tottenham is not the sw*nkiest of places. investors know all this so can play hard ball but they come up against the hardest of ball players. to be honest toon are possibly a more attractive prop with their 50k who all serious hardcore shirts n all.
we havent got alot going for us yet we give it the bigguun. we got history and a good fanbase thats it really. we dont pay well or speculate.
LL played roulette last year and lost. (harry has a lot to answer for with wot he did). this jan LL cant afford to play that game again. with bale ready to go and other top players ready to run he needs to back the boss.
for those who asking for info i guess its either none to give or very sensitve which is why jasper cant say much.
be ready for deadline day
Spot on absolutely on every single word. AVB will not leave in summer, he just won't extend. We are at a cross roads because AVB exceeded expectations and this they know. We will never spend 20m on two players much less one for real, but will push against wishes against one and cry 'we have no more money' . Those asking about 'This is not for Transfer thread' it is. I want us to smell the roses and stop dreaming because it will not happen. Sponsor will not invest on unrealistic terms, and truth be known they are playing their own hard ball. I believe ENIC has reached it's optimum limits and has decisions to make. There are investors and serious ones ready to come in but want more than naming rights. This leads back to transfers and it is very simple to me; Back the manager!!!
If they cannot be will prove his quality And move on within 2 years we won't allow him to come to end of contract and get zero. Typical ENIC mentality. Two players will. One in hopefully but will it be AVB's signings
This is really interesting stuff but I think the scale of the task facing Tottenham (and to a large extent Levy) is being underestimated.
Can anyone name another non CL club that hadn't been financially doped that has built a training complex like Spurs or has plans to build a 60000 sweater stadium on its current location?
There is not another club in Europe even attempting it as far as I'm aware. Surely the only way the model can work is to squeeze the absolute most out of all deals and transfers...
Very innovative I agree but offers are there and good ones. If ENIC cared about the club and not as a lucrative business which is their ambition, to sell at a massive profit and fair enough on this; I again say we are not Harrods so hang your basket not too high. You cannot have it both ways, and we certainly do not pay the best and fed up of all these statistics showing different.
It is my own personal opinion that ENIC have to prove me wrong from what I have knowledge of. Do not ask me to name and shame etc because I will not, and know how agents have been seriously embarrassed by how we have conducted ourselves, and this goes for investors. Ask the question why no sponsorship in certain areas? Please, no uneducated pumped out explanations about 'getting the best deal'. We may soon be 'snookered' if we are not careful.
Best thing to happen in many ways was AVB doing better than what they expected, and actually very educated and knowledgeable having more contacts than this committee with all its members. such a friggin fiasco, and now they may become unstuck. Based on what some may ask; What is known to me and will not go further.
Is the discontent serious?
Yes, very...DL can change that as we know who AVB wants and that is the key in many, many ways, along with Holtby now. I believe if he bought in William AVB would wait until summer for striker.
My take is that sponsorship deals such as stadium naming rights and shirt deals are being negotiated and these depend on the club selling its medium-term vision to companies big enough to spend big on us.
We have to attract big names. This means great performance on the pitch. This means investment in players.
We have to buy these players and we also have to pay for the NDP.
We have limited funds.
It's a tricky time!
100% bang on but not really tricky tbf. Bigger problem if AVB continues to do well, refuse to sign extension in summer then bigger problems than what they have now. This time the fans will see it is all the board and DL and there will be no more places to hide or people to blame. Simple as that!
there is a sense in your posts that AVB is irked by a failure to get his players in. do you get the sense that he is feeling a little bit 'bait and switch' with DL, or do you think he understood the constraints of our system when he signed up?
Stitched up is more to the point, and not being backed with his players. Promises broken, and here I go public in saying he expected either William or Mouts this window and was assured that. Also remember he is very close with both players, selling clubs and their agents, so he knows the truth.
Over a few hundred thousand we are haggling with Shalke, that is how crap it is. I say this to see it leaked and the board do something.
Because of what I know my opinion is we are seen as kind of thick knob heads. There you go i have said it, thats right, we are seen as knob heads.
Who? The fans, or Levy and the Club...and by whom? Potential sponsors?
Fans my friend, the sponsors are there but we are not Harrods, so you cannot ask Harrods prices based in Knightsbridge. Therefore we need the money as we have not much so the financier/sponsor's terms within reason.
Sounds very worrying to be honest, and as if we are not going to sign anybody this window
Yes we will I believe, two players is in the pipeline, one we all know and the other is a choice of 3-4, but there is where friction has stepped in. I have shared this and what those frictions are with sources with a selected few so please no pm's asking.
So Holtby and 1 of 3-4 others. Hmm, i dont think it will be a striker then
AVB wants Holtby, another DM, and a striker that will not cost more than 10M. In the summer he will settle for one more, with a sale to achieve another is how i understand it.
Thank Jasper.
Do you mean a striker costing up to 10 million, or both a DM and striker costing a combined 10 million?
STRIKER NOT EXCEEDING 10M (SORRY FOR CAP LOCKS NOT SHOUTING)
Cheers for this Jasper. I totally agree that losong AVB would be the worst possible thing, i honestly can't think of anyone I'd rather have.
Hopefully we can sneak top 4 this year then give him more control/the players he wants.
Top 4! Top 3! Top 2! Will make no difference to how the board thinks as a whole, they will say 'you achieved it with our model...so carry on and we still will not but a William/Moutinho' for example. Offering the price is one thing. And there are ways around 3rd Party ownership-Pay by agreement then there is no more, they then contract with the player and agent and receive fees et el. How hard is that may I ask. That is what most clubs in EPL are doing and get around it.
It all sounds a bit depressing to me. I just want our club/team to improve and have stability. It will be good if we could have the same manager for more than 3 years but isn't looking promising with what has been said by Jasper.
And I stand by every single letter in every single word. About time now we start to see things the way they are, and if anyone on here is connected to the club there is absolutely no way you can refute what I have just said by form of 'opinion'.
When asked about if we had sponsorship agreed.
No not at all, he is struggling to get the prices he wants.
its a very complicated situation. the club in its own right is rich. we are quite well run and do things in the right way.
we have major issues right now. the club effed up last season when ch leauge was a sure thing. firstly harry stitched us. then we failed to back him with players to take us over the nn means they dont need to spend big and lower expectations. what happens then is the boss is expected to work mirackes with what he has and if he gets fourth all good but the club wont go all out. even when we are in champs we wont spend as the boss is given squad players to covepr the season.
dont expect this to change.
now to the major prob. no naming rights. until this is done nowt will be happening. the club wont do the ndp without the rights. one issue is 'selling' the club to interested parties. as jasper said we want big money but r acting smalltime. we dont spend big we dont go all out we dont win things we hardly get top 4 we have no top asian or m e players so no real exposure or connection with the rich or interested.
we are doing brand work but not in the right places. buying the korean guy might be an idea we need exposure. so to an interested party we do none of the above and to make matters worse tottenham is not the sw*nkiest of places. investors know all this so can play hard ball but they come up against the hardest of ball players. to be honest toon are possibly a more attractive prop with their 50k who all serious hardcore shirts n all.
we havent got alot going for us yet we give it the bigguun. we got history and a good fanbase thats it really. we dont pay well or speculate.
LL played roulette last year and lost. (harry has a lot to answer for with wot he did). this jan LL cant afford to play that game again. with bale ready to go and other top players ready to run he needs to back the boss.
for those who asking for info i guess its either none to give or very sensitve which is why jasper cant say much.
be ready for deadline day
Spot on absolutely on every single word. AVB will not leave in summer, he just won't extend. We are at a cross roads because AVB exceeded expectations and this they know. We will never spend 20m on two players much less one for real, but will push against wishes against one and cry 'we have no more money' . Those asking about 'This is not for Transfer thread' it is. I want us to smell the roses and stop dreaming because it will not happen. Sponsor will not invest on unrealistic terms, and truth be known they are playing their own hard ball. I believe ENIC has reached it's optimum limits and has decisions to make. There are investors and serious ones ready to come in but want more than naming rights. This leads back to transfers and it is very simple to me; Back the manager!!!
If they cannot be will prove his quality And move on within 2 years we won't allow him to come to end of contract and get zero. Typical ENIC mentality. Two players will. One in hopefully but will it be AVB's signings
This is really interesting stuff but I think the scale of the task facing Tottenham (and to a large extent Levy) is being underestimated.
Can anyone name another non CL club that hadn't been financially doped that has built a training complex like Spurs or has plans to build a 60000 sweater stadium on its current location?
There is not another club in Europe even attempting it as far as I'm aware. Surely the only way the model can work is to squeeze the absolute most out of all deals and transfers...
Very innovative I agree but offers are there and good ones. If ENIC cared about the club and not as a lucrative business which is their ambition, to sell at a massive profit and fair enough on this; I again say we are not Harrods so hang your basket not too high. You cannot have it both ways, and we certainly do not pay the best and fed up of all these statistics showing different.
It is my own personal opinion that ENIC have to prove me wrong from what I have knowledge of. Do not ask me to name and shame etc because I will not, and know how agents have been seriously embarrassed by how we have conducted ourselves, and this goes for investors. Ask the question why no sponsorship in certain areas? Please, no uneducated pumped out explanations about 'getting the best deal'. We may soon be 'snookered' if we are not careful.
Best thing to happen in many ways was AVB doing better than what they expected, and actually very educated and knowledgeable having more contacts than this committee with all its members. such a friggin fiasco, and now they may become unstuck. Based on what some may ask; What is known to me and will not go further.
Is the discontent serious?
Yes, very...DL can change that as we know who AVB wants and that is the key in many, many ways, along with Holtby now. I believe if he bought in William AVB would wait until summer for striker.
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Justin Edinburgh
Or that most of these berks were using the terms "Levy time" and "Levyed" a matter of weeks ago.
edgey-the-yid
Gheorge Popescu
Been seein alot of this "things grim behind the scenes" last few hrs on Twitter
That's nothing to worry about, especially. They're just repeating the ITK.
edgey-the-yid
Gheorge Popescu
Nothing short of embarrassing... Especially that stupid "Taken" parody picture doin the rounds, so cringeworthy!!
JJetset said:
I just told exactly what was happening and you say its negative, how negative? This is why i stop posting as people just want good news all the time and think i have an agenda and i can reassure you that i dont, not anti avb or anti Levy just telling you how it is.
By the way we have done transfers by committee at spurs for the last 5 years or so.
Jaspers info had to come out eventually.
I just told exactly what was happening and you say its negative, how negative? This is why i stop posting as people just want good news all the time and think i have an agenda and i can reassure you that i dont, not anti avb or anti Levy just telling you how it is.
By the way we have done transfers by committee at spurs for the last 5 years or so.
Jaspers info had to come out eventually.
screen nayim
John Gorman
Five years ago we were only Man Utd' s feeder club, but now we're Real Madrid's feeder club.
That sort of progress in a small timescale must surely demonstrate Daniel's ambition for the club to international investors.
That sort of progress in a small timescale must surely demonstrate Daniel's ambition for the club to international investors.
Thing is even if every word is true, it's all about perspective. We don't have unlimited funds and Willian or Moutinho are big asks for even Man Utd, Arsenal or any club that isn't bank-rolled by a mega-billionnaire willing to invest substantial funds. We have only been in the CL once yet these people say we should just blindly back the manager with whatever he wants? Ridiculous!
Do you think Porto gave AVB everything he wanted? Did they gonad*s - the majority of clubs in world football do transfers by committee and have sporting directors who make the final decisions on transfers.
English football is the exception rather than the rule and is the only industry other than investment banking (and look how that turns out sometimes- hello Bearings Bank) where large company decisions involving huge amounts of funds are trusted to the whims of one person without major input and counter-balancing.
Spurs model works and we are the ONLY club other than City's billionaire backed model that has seriously challenged the Sky4 monopoly by prudence and foresight.
I honestly don't think AVB is that frustrated. Yes he'd love Mouts and Willian but I'm sure (as he says in interviews) he realises how difficult these deals are. I mean he wanted Modric at Chelsea did he get him? Did he fudge. Did Mancini get Van Persie? He wanted him but didn't get him. Happens at every club no matter how rich and spend happy!
Levy/ENIC aren't perfect but who is? Overall they've done a simply stunning job considering who they're competing with
Do you think Porto gave AVB everything he wanted? Did they gonad*s - the majority of clubs in world football do transfers by committee and have sporting directors who make the final decisions on transfers.
English football is the exception rather than the rule and is the only industry other than investment banking (and look how that turns out sometimes- hello Bearings Bank) where large company decisions involving huge amounts of funds are trusted to the whims of one person without major input and counter-balancing.
Spurs model works and we are the ONLY club other than City's billionaire backed model that has seriously challenged the Sky4 monopoly by prudence and foresight.
I honestly don't think AVB is that frustrated. Yes he'd love Mouts and Willian but I'm sure (as he says in interviews) he realises how difficult these deals are. I mean he wanted Modric at Chelsea did he get him? Did he fudge. Did Mancini get Van Persie? He wanted him but didn't get him. Happens at every club no matter how rich and spend happy!
Levy/ENIC aren't perfect but who is? Overall they've done a simply stunning job considering who they're competing with
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
So selling one player makes you a feeder club, well that makes every team in the whole of world football people's feeder clubs
Very good post.
Nobody moans more than Mancini about not getting the players he wants and they've got unlimited funds.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Only he does in every interview
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I think you are right. AVB is is completely the opposite of Redknapp - his MO is to grow a squad, rather than assemble one; so will be less bothered by such conditions.
I think there may be a disagreement between Levy and Andre, but over quality vs quantity, rather than the total funds available. I think Levy sees the financial prospects of young but inferior players like M'Vila and Sissoko, whereas Andre would rather wait for the exact pieces he needs (I doubt Redknapp ever turned down the offer of any player - he didn't even know who Sandro was IIRC).
My only worry is the quality of our transfer committee, when it consists of the likes of David Pleat, Ronnie Rosenthal and Tim Sherwood. I think I would much rather back the scouting knowledge and contacts of AVB and Freund, than dinosaurs from our own mediocre past.
Nice work. An economical amalgamation of Barings and Bear Stearns!
Excellent post, by the way.
Come on, fella. Seems pretty obvious to me that it was just a joke.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Didn't AVB say he is not expecting us to sign anyone this window?
Moutinho is happy to stay at Porto for the rest of the season. Not may transfers happen in Jan. The Sandro injury has changed things a little (though we have lots of backup). Maybe AVB was putting people off the scent when he said he didn't expect transfers this window, and actually he has been expecting a deal; but I doubt it. He knows we are not chelsea, and I'm sure he is happier with our setup and financial limitations.
It smacks of bored, bandwagon jumping attention seekers. Sure, we would like Willian - are there any clubs in the PL who wouldn't? Yes we could do with Moutinho now, but is it realistic? Does Moutinho want to join now? If you were Moutinho you'd want to see out the season with your current team and play in the CL.
You only have to look at Liverpool to see how throwing cash at a team without great care, can backfire. If you pander to the Jaspers - who all start sucking each other off, making themselves feel important - we'd be like pool and villa and it could see us go backwards not forwards. Other clubs look at the way spurs are run and see it as the business model to follow.
No doubt there are transfer irons in the fire, no doubt AVB would love some reinforcements, as would us fans, but it is unlikely. We're not going to pay above the odds and the good players are not likely to move in Jan.
#deludedfudges
Moutinho is happy to stay at Porto for the rest of the season. Not may transfers happen in Jan. The Sandro injury has changed things a little (though we have lots of backup). Maybe AVB was putting people off the scent when he said he didn't expect transfers this window, and actually he has been expecting a deal; but I doubt it. He knows we are not chelsea, and I'm sure he is happier with our setup and financial limitations.
It smacks of bored, bandwagon jumping attention seekers. Sure, we would like Willian - are there any clubs in the PL who wouldn't? Yes we could do with Moutinho now, but is it realistic? Does Moutinho want to join now? If you were Moutinho you'd want to see out the season with your current team and play in the CL.
You only have to look at Liverpool to see how throwing cash at a team without great care, can backfire. If you pander to the Jaspers - who all start sucking each other off, making themselves feel important - we'd be like pool and villa and it could see us go backwards not forwards. Other clubs look at the way spurs are run and see it as the business model to follow.
No doubt there are transfer irons in the fire, no doubt AVB would love some reinforcements, as would us fans, but it is unlikely. We're not going to pay above the odds and the good players are not likely to move in Jan.
#deludedfudges
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