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The transfer thread

IulianSteaua said:
And we are 15th. That is what I am trying to say. With mostly young players, even if you spend over 1 billion, you will not fight for the title. You can spend 2 billion on young players and you will still not fight for the title. Chelsea prove my point exactly. We spent less and we are 15th. You can't win if you have so many young players. Might get lucky în a cup, but you will be not be near the top în the league.
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The way I look at it was that we had zero chance of winning anything with the old guard that they replaced. Some weren't technically good enough and even our best player showed no commitment for the shirt before he left. It was a very bad place to be stuck at. Our probability of winning has increased considerably with this new squad, but we need to show patience. With the magnitude of injury crisis, our old squad would have been out of the cups and worse than 15th. They wouldn't have put their bodies on the line for our club in the same way as the current lot have.

I still don't think we could have worked the same budget much differently to be fair.
 
Bullet said:
Looking at the Toppity Toppist Clubs and only mentioning players I've heard of:

MNC won the transfer window with Spurs a close second, then nobody else did much... AST I guess but they did lose Duran... ARS LIV NEW did nothing

ARS In - ?
ARS Out - ?

AST In - Malen Rashford Asensio
AST Out - Duran Philogene Carlos Buendia Iling-Junior

CHE In - Chalobah Fofana
CHE Out - Veiga Casadei Chukwuemeka Vale Chilwell

LIV In - ?
LIV Out - ?

MNC In - Khusanov Reis Marmoush Gonzalez
MNC Out - Walker

MNU In - Dorgu
MNU Out - Antony Rashford

NEW In - ?
NEW Out - Kelly

TOT In - Kinsky Yang Scarlett Danso Tel
TOT Out - Dorrington Yang Lankshear
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Where's the ambition from Arsenal/Liverpool/Saudi Sportswashing Machine to try and get themselves over the line? Don't they realise they are only a player or two short of the title/top 4?
 
Gazza said:
Don’t think the Emirates Marketing Project owners have any penny pinching mentality.
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Don't think Levy does particularly either which was the point.

This is thrown at Levy time and time again yet a club like Emirates Marketing Project could still only address their glaring need on the last day despite their ability to throw as much money as they like at it.
Narratives.
 
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billyiddo said:
Where's the ambition from Arsenal/Liverpool/Saudi Sportswashing Machine to try and get themselves over the line? Don't they realise they are only a player or two short of the title/top 4?
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Arsenal haven’t done the main basic and obvious thing season this season
But a striker
That’s scary that everyone else can see it
 
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Lost Mango said:
Don't think Levy does particularly either which was the point.

This is thrown at Levy time and time again yet a club like Emirates Marketing Project could still only address their glaring need on the last day despite their ability to throw as much money as they like at it.
Narratives.
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Hah you simply can’t compare the two. Emirates Marketing Project genuinely want to win and compete. They have always backed their managers to the hilt and I’m sure they didn’t do last minute deals to drive the price down etc.

Things at times are unfairly levelled at Levy but let’s not compare the two owners in any form whatsoever for obvious reasons. And yes Levy is a man that has to navigate the transfer market differently than the City owners and yes levy throws caution to the wind and doesn’t pay whatever it takes.
 
Gazza said:
Hah you simply can’t compare the two. Emirates Marketing Project genuinely want to win and compete. They have always backed their managers to the hilt and I’m sure they didn’t do last minute deals to drive the price down etc.

Things at times are unfairly levelled at Levy but let’s not compare the two owners in any form whatsoever for obvious reasons. And yes Levy is a man that has to navigate the transfer market differently than the City owners and yes levy throws caution to the wind and doesn’t pay whatever it takes.
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The point I'm making is that even a club with almost infinite resources has to wait until late on deadline day to make deals to fill obvious needs so it isn't about dithering or penny pinching. It is about player availability.

And the assertion that Levy doesn't want to win and compete is just asinine. Just from a business point of view.
 
Lost Mango said:
The point I'm making is that even a club with almost infinite resources has to wait until late on deadline day to make deals to fill obvious needs so it isn't about dithering or penny pinching. It is about player availability.

And the assertion that Levy doesn't want to win and compete is just asinine. Just from a business point of view.
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They've needed a Rodri options for a long time. Longer than this transfer window.

They sold Alvarez in the summer and replaced him in January.

Both the money and where they are as a team and squad makes it a poor comparison. Levy could try to be more like City, but without their resources it almost certainly wouldn't work.
 
With Gray to come back into CM eventually and the Betis lad apparently a done deal according to on here then maybe its not as urgent. Not to be a Levyite I don't think you get top class players in Jan so it would be a summer jobby if anything.

We come out the window better than in, thats a plus
 
braineclipse said:
They've needed a Rodri options for a long time. Longer than this transfer window.

They sold Alvarez in the summer and replaced him in January.

Both the money and where they are as a team and squad makes it a poor comparison. Levy could try to be more like City, but without their resources it almost certainly wouldn't work.
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Again, you seem to be missing the point.

It isn't a poor comparison, in fact the money and situation actually emphasise the point - it is all irrelevant if the player you want isn't available until he or his club allow it. No one can sign players when they want to, just because they want to. It isn't always, probably not even often, about being cheap, or haggling over petty cash. City, with absolutely everything in their favour, couldn't get a player to fill the Rodri gap on Jan 1st, they only got the job done on Feb 3rd and yet the media refrain and the fan echo is always about Levy's brinkmanship and driving too hard a bargain at the very last moment and how that always lets the club down.
 
Lost Mango said:
Again, you seem to be missing the point.

It isn't a poor comparison, in fact the money and situation actually emphasise the point - it is all irrelevant if the player you want isn't available until he or his club allow it. No one can sign players when they want to, just because they want to. It isn't always, probably not even often, about being cheap, or haggling over petty cash. City, with absolutely everything in their favour, couldn't get a player to fill the Rodri gap on Jan 1st, they only got the job done on Feb 3rd and yet the media refrain and the fan echo is always about Levy's brinkmanship and driving too hard a bargain at the very last moment and how that always lets the club down.
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In my defense I don't think I missed the point. However I didn't make it clear that I was agreeing with you and thought the City comparison was poor in other ways than the way you made it.

Sorry about the lack of clarity.
 
braineclipse said:
In my defense I don't think I missed the point. However I didn't make it clear that I was agreeing with you and thought the City comparison was poor in other ways than the way you made it.

Sorry about the lack of clarity.
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It's an interesting conversation guys. City had the perfect squad for the treble only 2 seasons ago. 18 or 19 key rotated players and 5 or 6 U21's. Because of the age profile of a massive chunk of their squad, they couldn't churn quick enough to keep Pep's model going and are now paying the price. Remind me of Fergie's last Utd title. How he kept them going for that last season, nobody knows. Then it all fell apart.

I'm so glad we're coming at this from our direction. We only have a couple of thirty somethings and are building from the ground up like Pep originally did with youngsters. He's back into buying some younger players to nurture and you wonder how long that takes.
 
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