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the Tim Sherwood man love thread

Aren't Swindon after a new manager?

He's been incredibly lucky to be Spurs and Villa manager with his first two jobs!

No chance he'll have an offer on that level again and will either have to build a reputation by working his way up or I doubt we'll ever see him in management again....the equivalent of Shearer but with one more job!
 
PLT said:
Aren't Swindon after a new manager?

He's been incredibly lucky to be Spurs and Villa manager with his first two jobs!

No chance he'll have an offer on that level again and will either have to build a reputation by working his way up or I doubt we'll ever see him in management again....the equivalent of Shearer but with one more job!
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Shearer at least had the adulation of fans as a reason to get the job.

Spurs fans were roughly divided between "Who? Oh yeah, that guy Shearer won a medal for" and "Oh brick, not that clam" when he was announced as our manager.
 
SpursNorway said:
I've seen in the past that managers, even the ones who hasnt done anything, rotates between different clubs in England.
It has become a bit better in the last decade, but I would like to know who would gamble on Timmeh now.

He is a good talker, his big mouth talkes a lot about how good he is. And both Levy and Villa bought into it.

I would really like to know who leaked stories to the press about "Sherwood didnt get the players he wanted" a week or two ago. Funnily he said in August and September that he had scouted the players well, and the foreigners were all "good value for money".
My guess is Timmeh did the leaks himself. After all he's got a lot of good friends in the press, and a lof of them have of course spoken soooo well about him.

But a club taking a gamble on this joke of a manager now? I really hope no club is that stupid.
Maybe he could learn by doing a job in the lower leagues, but my feeling is he is too happy with himself. Probably he thinks he is too good to do a job "down there". And I dont think he will never learn to listen to others advice, and never know he is doing a big mistanke talking his own players down in media.
And he talks them down, just a couple of days before he has been saying "I take full responsibility".
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I think Levy wanted Poch, found out he couldn't get him immediately and wanted Sherwood short-term. Sherwood refused to take it unless he got a 3 year deal, Levy was in a corner as AVB went helicopter lincoln continental and thus Sherwood forced a fat pay-day. And then behaved like an unruly Arry. THAT takes some doing. His own architect. I think glasgowspur has made a good call with Leeds, perfect fit for him.
 
Well, who'd had thought it...

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Aston Villa sacked Tim Sherwood after he became divisive force in dressing room

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Tim Sherwood lost his job as Aston Villa manager because chief executive Tom Fox decided the man who had brought harmony to the club when he was appointed eight months ago had become a divisive force instead.

The 46-year-old was summoned by Fox to the club's Bodymoor Heath training ground along with assistant manager Ray Wilkins and first team coach Mark Robson on Sunday morning to be told they were being relieved of their duties. The meeting lasted barely 10 minutes.

David Moyes and Remi Garde head the list of potential replacements after Fox and Villa owner Randy Lerner decided to act following Saturday's 2-1 defeat by Swansea.

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Aston Villa sacked manager Tim Sherwood after a torrid run of form left them bottom of the league table

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Villa lost 2-1 at home to Swansea on Saturday with Andre Ayew scoring a late winner for the visitors

But Sportsmail understands the decision was not only down to results but also because of growing tension behind the scenes.

As results went from bad to worse Sherwood was openly critical of the club's recruitment policy, hinting that many of the 13 players brought in during the summer at a cost of £52.5million were not his choices. Villa insist he was given the final say on every incoming transfer.

Sherwood effectively pointed the finger at a statistics-driven department run by head of recruitment Paddy Rile and new sporting director Hendrik Almstadt.

Fox and Lerner were worried Sherwood's comments about players with no Premier League experience would worsen a lack of confidence in the dressing room and upset scouts who helped identify the transfers.

After Villa were beaten by Andre Ayew's 87th-minute goal Sherwood again criticised his squad, saying: 'We can't do any more as coaches and managers, we are working as hard as we possibly can, and the players can't do more regarding effort. They can only give us what they can give us, we can't turn them into superstars.'

Those comments — along with his suggestion that the club was 'in a hole' — were seen as the last straw by Villa's hierarchy. Popular reserve coach Kevin MacDonald is in temporary charge.

A club statement said: 'The board has monitored the performances closely all season and believes the results on the pitch were simply not good enough and that a change is imperative.'

Whoever gets the job will be the eighth manager — including long-term caretakers — employed by Lerner in just over five years since Martin O'Neill finished sixth in the table and took the club to Wembley twice.

Former Manchester United and Everton manager Moyes, now at Real Sociedad in Spain, is understood to be interested while former Lyon coach Garde is also likely to be asked for talks. The 49-year-old ex-Arsenal midfielder is seen as having the potential to get the best from the French players signed in the summer.

Sherwood did a brilliant job when he breezed into Villa Park in February and lifted the mood and confidence following the sacking of Paul Lambert.

He took 16 points from his first 11 games to avoid relegation and masterminded the club's first appearance in an FA Cup final for 15 years.

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...and to think that some thought he should have been given a longer run with us lol
 
Touted as one of the bright breed of young British managers, with a brash, attacking approach

Quote taken from a BBC journalists column. Who are these touts?
 
thfcsteff said:
I think Levy wanted Poch, found out he couldn't get him immediately and wanted Sherwood short-term. Sherwood refused to take it unless he got a 3 year deal, Levy was in a corner as AVB went helicopter lincoln continental and thus Sherwood forced a fat pay-day. And then behaved like an unruly Arry. THAT takes some doing. His own architect. I think glasgowspur has made a good call with Leeds, perfect fit for him.
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This was my thinking, too. He was always a temporary appointment until the end of the season, but I think the reasoning was that Levy didn't want a repeat of the drift under Pleat. I suppose there was always the hope he could make the job permanent and he lost it when he realised it wasn't going to happen. You could argue he was used, but he got a good payday and an entry into management in return.

I don't think he is a particularly bad manager. He got our players performing at the level expected of them, but couldn't add something to make the team better than the sum of its parts, which the good managers do. At Villa that inability is more critical as he hasn't got the players, especially after losing key players in the summer. He's a par manager.

As others have pointed out, his weakness is man-management and willingness to blame his players when things go wrong. It's worse that the comments are generic and put everyone down. This undermines confidence and he no longer even gets par performances. If he can cut this out, he can probably forge a respectable managerial career at reasonable level (Championship and lower PL).
 
jts1882 said:
This was my thinking, too. He was always a temporary appointment until the end of the season, but I think the reasoning was that Levy didn't want a repeat of the drift under Pleat. I suppose there was always the hope he could make the job permanent and he lost it when he realised it wasn't going to happen. You could argue he was used, but he got a good payday and an entry into management in return.

I don't think he is a particularly bad manager. He got our players performing at the level expected of them, but couldn't add something to make the team better than the sum of its parts, which the good managers do. At Villa that inability is more critical as he hasn't got the players, especially after losing key players in the summer. He's a par manager.

As others have pointed out, his weakness is man-management and willingness to blame his players when things go wrong. It's worse that the comments are generic and put everyone down. This undermines confidence and he no longer even gets par performances. If he can cut this out, he can probably forge a respectable managerial career at reasonable level (Championship and lower PL).
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If his weakness is man management and his other is clearly tactics, what exactly makes him better than any layman?
 
jts1882 said:
This was my thinking, too. He was always a temporary appointment until the end of the season, but I think the reasoning was that Levy didn't want a repeat of the drift under Pleat. I suppose there was always the hope he could make the job permanent and he lost it when he realised it wasn't going to happen. You could argue he was used, but he got a good payday and an entry into management in return.

I don't think he is a particularly bad manager. He got our players performing at the level expected of them, but couldn't add something to make the team better than the sum of its parts, which the good managers do. At Villa that inability is more critical as he hasn't got the players, especially after losing key players in the summer. He's a par manager.

As others have pointed out, his weakness is man-management and willingness to blame his players when things go wrong. It's worse that the comments are generic and put everyone down. This undermines confidence and he no longer even gets par performances. If he can cut this out, he can probably forge a respectable managerial career at reasonable level (Championship and lower PL).
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All he's achieved is a short run of good results at both clubs. Once the novelty wears off he is a very much below par-manager. He has no idea what exactly it is he wants to implement on the pitch, much like fabled system manager Brendan Rodgers, or how to keep players motivated and happy.
 
thfcsteff said:
I think Levy wanted Poch, found out he couldn't get him immediately and wanted Sherwood short-term. Sherwood refused to take it unless he got a 3 year deal, Levy was in a corner as AVB went helicopter lincoln continental and thus Sherwood forced a fat pay-day. And then behaved like an unruly Arry. THAT takes some doing. His own architect. I think glasgowspur has made a good call with Leeds, perfect fit for him.
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We should have given the caretaker job to Hoddle. He was offering to do it purely for the 6 months.

We risked a lot in terms of damaging player and fan relations by giving the job to someone not only so incapable, but also so discordant
 
I'm not sure Hoddle would have been a good appointment, if that was the plan then we needed someone disposable, if Hoddle had come in and done well there would have been clamour for him to stay despite him obviously not being the right long term guy that we needed.
 
galeforce said:
I'm not sure Hoddle would have been a good appointment, if that was the plan then we needed someone disposable, if Hoddle had come in and done well there would have been clamour for him to stay despite him obviously not being the right long term guy that we needed.
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Some would say Sherwood came in and done well (mainly Tim).
 
galeforce said:
I think its understandable that Hoddle would have received far more leeway and goodwill from the fans thanks to both who he is and that he has been successful in management previously.
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The fact that he'd been a manager previously would have got him far more leeway.
 
Gutter Boy said:
We should have given the caretaker job to Hoddle. He was offering to do it purely for the 6 months.
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And watch Townsend as a 10? No thanks. Hoddle already failed here as a manager, giving him the job would've been the ultimate "I give up for this season" statement from Levy. Sherwood was worth a try imo. Did a decent job and might have continued doing it for Spurs if he got a chance.
 
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