Lemonade Money
Les Medley
His expressions after the game reminded me of Bob Hoskins at the end of The Long Good Friday.
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glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Passing the buck already?
Aston Villa manager Tim Sherwood promised to rid the club of its "losing mentality" after suffering a 4-0 defeat by Arsenal in the FA Cup final: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32948273
Aston Villa manager Tim Sherwood promised to rid the club of its "losing mentality" after suffering a 4-0 defeat by Arsenal in the FA Cup final: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32948273
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
He is right about their losing mentality.
Whether he is the right person to change it is a different matter.
Although with supreme man management skills like this, how can he fail?!;
"Some of the boys have already been told they won't be here next year or they can find other clubs. I want to be honest with players and don't want to be stringing experienced players along"
How NOT to motivate players for a cup final.
Whether he is the right person to change it is a different matter.
Although with supreme man management skills like this, how can he fail?!;
"Some of the boys have already been told they won't be here next year or they can find other clubs. I want to be honest with players and don't want to be stringing experienced players along"
How NOT to motivate players for a cup final.
BucurestiSpur
Sean Davis
Whilst admittedly The @rse are simply man for man better in every position by some quite considerable margin than Villa and have had a coherent philosophy ever since Wenger arrived that was simply awful from Villa and indeed from Tim.
To rely utterly on a lumped diagonal ball in to Benteke when it was clear the keeper had orders to come running out for every single one of them, and that they had a 6'7 defender too is just breathtaking.
Obviously Tim had less to work with but the complete lack of anything from every single player under him bar maybe 2 is a disgrace that sits firmly on his lap. It was clear before halftime Villa were showing nothing (even if the orders were to contain Arsenal there was still no desire, no fight, no "cup final-ness" about Villa) and he had 15mins to do something and failed. His subs later changed nothing.
Tim seems to think a winning mentality comes from standing in front of a mirror chanting "i'm gonna fackin' win this!" and then saying the same thing in front of a TV camera. What winning mentality does he have in actual fact as a manager? He's taken non-league into the league? Taken 3rd division into the 2nd? Anything?
Getting slapped 4-0 is no shame IF something had been visible, nothing was.
Tims tactics for the final were to hope that "we might get lucky" and if they did he would have claimed absolute credit for that, and if they didn't, well we see his tactic is to lay blame all around.
Up until yesterday i thought the fact he reeked to me of 90's management was simply because he was playing for us in those days, but its not. You employ Tim and someone may as well employ Andy Townsend.
To rely utterly on a lumped diagonal ball in to Benteke when it was clear the keeper had orders to come running out for every single one of them, and that they had a 6'7 defender too is just breathtaking.
Obviously Tim had less to work with but the complete lack of anything from every single player under him bar maybe 2 is a disgrace that sits firmly on his lap. It was clear before halftime Villa were showing nothing (even if the orders were to contain Arsenal there was still no desire, no fight, no "cup final-ness" about Villa) and he had 15mins to do something and failed. His subs later changed nothing.
Tim seems to think a winning mentality comes from standing in front of a mirror chanting "i'm gonna fackin' win this!" and then saying the same thing in front of a TV camera. What winning mentality does he have in actual fact as a manager? He's taken non-league into the league? Taken 3rd division into the 2nd? Anything?
Getting slapped 4-0 is no shame IF something had been visible, nothing was.
Tims tactics for the final were to hope that "we might get lucky" and if they did he would have claimed absolute credit for that, and if they didn't, well we see his tactic is to lay blame all around.
Up until yesterday i thought the fact he reeked to me of 90's management was simply because he was playing for us in those days, but its not. You employ Tim and someone may as well employ Andy Townsend.
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
Well put Bucuresti
I'd think he was a really funny joke if we hadn't had to suffer him ourselves.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Agreed about next season and Sherwood. This is the test, to be fair he's gotten himself to where he deserves a chance to be tested in this situation. I've always had reservations about Sherwood as a long term manager/head coach, but at Villa he's likely to be able to learn on the job as anything safe from relegation fears next season will be seen as fully acceptable. And that seems like a very achievable target.
No shame for a club where Villa are now to get to a cup final and lose to a much better team. Being outplayed heavily on the day is not great of course, but the difference in class is huge and on their day Arsenal are capable of doing that to teams better than this Villa side imo.
BucurestiSpur
Sean Davis
Lets hope he genuinely gets the chance to buy a few and sell a few. Sherwood, one full season, no excuses, thats entertainment.
Edit: If he fails he's got nowhere to go does he. No one will touch him in the Prem, would any lower league club? Thats the danger of not working your way up. High stakes. Lovely
milo
Jack L. Jones
Lets hope he genuinely gets the chance to buy a few and sell a few. Sherwood, one full season, no excuses, thats entertainment.
Edit: If he fails he's got nowhere to go does he. No one will touch him in the Prem, would any lower league club? Thats the danger of not working your way up. High stakes. Lovely
I think that you are letting your dislike of him cloud your judgement here. There are plenty of crap managers who keep getting jobs and Sherwood has done a reasonably good job at Villa so far. I agree that he is a bell end though and that next season will be a test for him. I also curious to see whether he can vary his management style because what we have seen from him so far is going to tinkle off the dressing room in no time.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Villa's poor performance had very little to do with Sherwood's tactics. They were just out classed.
That's what happens when your tactics are brick.
BucurestiSpur
Sean Davis
I see why you might think so but my dislike of Tim is just a general dislike of anyone who steals praise but disappears from taking a fair proportion of any blame.
Other than that i quite like him in terms of the spectacle he causes.
Again, if he messes up in a clear fashion at Villa next season i can't see him staying in management, sliding into a DOF or youth capacity somewhere yes, management no. Right now i would put him in say the same category as a Chris Ramsey (with the exception of the dignified way Ramsey conducts himself).
If Tim fails at Villa i can't see any reason why any Prem chairman would take a punt on him. He has zero track record of anything that would be attractive to a Championship side AFAICS. ANother possible option might be to join the circus footballus maximus going on at Blackburn.
The best thing that could have happened for Tim would have been a blameless relegation and a first time promotion, followed by Premiership survival the following season. Might even have been the best thing for Villa too. THEN he'd have something to back up his "i'm a winner" stuff.
I think Tim may find himself in the same category as John Barnes by this time next year. Even if you were to compare Tim to Paul Ince at least Ince has had a go at the lower leagues and if you used a fine toothed comb you might be able to find some reason to employ him.
Tough nut/motivational players don't seem to be able to make the transition to management well. Souness, Ince, Keane....Tim?
Would love to see Viera at Saudi Sportswashing Machine if the rumours are even close to being true.
Edit: sorry for double quote.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Without some fluky occurrence or a bad ref call, Villa were never going to beat Arsenal in a big game like that. Blaming Sherwood is irrational. Even Alex Ferguson would not have a made a difference, as they were never going to be good enough.
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
Birmingham and Hull (almost) say Hi.
BucurestiSpur
Sean Davis
The problem for me is that it seemed to be Tims ONLY tactic...to hope that some fluky occurence would happen, even at 1-0 down at halftime he did nothing, gracefully poised that if the miraculous did happen 2nd half he would get the acclaim and if the worst happened he could safely point a finger at Villa's lack of winner mentality.
At the very least its well known that if you let Arsenal settle into their passing game and rhythm you are done. What did Villa have to lose going hell for leather the first 20-25mins? He knew Villa were man for man worse all over the pitch, there was nothing to lose from that.
The end result if 1-0/2-0/3-0/4-0 was immaterial, everyone expected it.
It was the 90minute humiliation of shameful non-performance thats got everyone united from neutrals, to villa fans to the arsenal fans, thats worse than at least being praised for having a go for half of one half.
Again it seems clear that Tims only tactic was to hope it was "one of those crazy days"
And as for the manager not really making any possible difference, Jose at Porto says hi. Ferguson at Aberdeen says hi. (bit picky that i know, but...)
Edit: Feel free to ignore that last line as both Jose and SAF had time to build teams to be fair to Tim.