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The Official EURO 2012 thread

Who will win Euro 2012?

  • Spain

    Votes: 17 17.3%
  • Germany

    Votes: 54 55.1%
  • Holland

    Votes: 17 17.3%
  • France

    Votes: 3 3.1%
  • Italy

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • England

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Croatia

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Poland

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ukraine

    Votes: 2 2.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Total voters
    98
VdV has been in better form than Sneijder for a long time, shame for him really.

Can't see the point in starting a different thread but want to to talk about players to watch in the Euro. I'm hoping Marvin Martin gets some good time on the pitch. Really interested to see what he can do with big name footballers around him.
 
I really dont know why England are not even contemplating Lennon in their squad.

You know he is going to go on the outside, you know he is gonna cross with his right yet not many stop him.
 
Right, I'm going to post this as someone who followed football through the dark ages of the 70's and 80's.

Firstly, too much is made of the right-wing approach to football hooliganism in England at that time. Yes, there was an under-current, but in all honesty, this was purely about tribalism and "defending/advancing your territory or "manor". "

It was also about camaraderie(sp). I have never seen football fans so "together" as when facing the opposition. There just wasn't the in-fighting you see now from so many keyboard warriors. We were together. One force. One team.

Football hooliganism had taken the place of war, in the British youth psyche. There was no national service. There was no requirement to "fight for your country". And this took its place.

I know that innocents were affected, and indeed many were put off football for a long time, but you have to understand that this was a transistion period for the youth of this country, and I'm sorry but it was bloody good fun at times. The chase, the beatings (for and against) the supremacy. It all mattered at a time when the macho stance still meant something.

I've been to Maine Road (that's the old Emirates Marketing Project ground for you youngsters), been escorted out, but diverted down bloody Coronation St, and ambushed by hoardes of Emirates Marketing Project fans. I've taken a bloody good hiding, but those same fans would pick you up, make sure you were ok, then point you in the direction of the bloody station!!!!
It was accepted.
I've been there when we ripped down a big iron fence at Stamford Bridge and run Chelsea all over the place. I've "taken" the North bank, Highbury when there were more Spurs than bloody Arsenal in there.

No-one deliberately targeted "scarfers" or families or kids. That was paper talk. We were looking for an identity. And that is the same thing happening now in Eastern Europe.

There is a lot of bravado being spoken by the Ukrainian fans, but seriously, listen to them........they worship how we used to be. It's a transition.

If....and it's a big if, our top firms/crew/boys went out there this summer, it would be carnage, but I'm glad to say this won't be the case, as we've grown up.

sadly, there will be some isolated incidents of innocent fans being targeted, but if any Ukrainians are reading this, you are targeting the wrong country now guys.

Mind you, after seeing your bollox about seeing off our lot 3 years ago, and your gas chamber hissing, I seriously hope some of our old lot find you on the way home one night.

Filed under "I miss the 80's"


...the North Bank...happy days...good reading that Crawley, reminded me of some times...
 
Excellent read Crawley and spot on. A lot of younger fans have been brainwashed into thinking anyone involved in that scene was a mindless thug which was blatently not the case.

You took your life in your hands everytime you followed Spurs north of Watford and parts of London LOL - you had to stick together.

Millwall away boxing day 1977? ......
 
Eastern European neo-nazis crack me up. Its as much of an oxymoron as a Jewish neo-nazi. Do these macarons realise Hitler saw them as just as low as the Jews? As untermensch to be exterminated or work as slaves if they were lucky?

Idiots.

You don't follow Eastern Europe much nowadays do you ?

Supremacism based on etnicity is a real thing and a big issue, no matter what history says about german nationalsocialism. People are regularly killed e.g. in Moscow for no other good reason that etnicity.

Just because people are or were victims, it doesn't mean they cannot be executioners at the same time. So no, it is no oxymoron.

Genocide doesn't discriminate. It's for everyone. Even Nelson Mandelas (now ex-)wife was very fond of it, unfortunately.
 
You don't follow Eastern Europe much nowadays do you ?

Supremacism based on etnicity is a real thing and a big issue, no matter what history says about german nationalsocialism. People are regularly killed e.g. in Moscow for no other good reason that etnicity.

Just because people are or were victims, it doesn't mean they cannot be executioners at the same time. So no, it is no oxymoron.

Genocide doesn't discriminate. It's for everyone. Even Nelson Mandelas (now ex-)wife was very fond of it, unfortunately.

It really is when the macarons are giving Nazi salutes and hanging big swastikas above their pool tables. They idolize the same Third Reich which, if it had its way, would have exterminated every one of their forefathers too weak to work and would have sent the rest to die in labor camps. Sure, genocide is universal, but calling yourself a Nazi when you would have been one of the first societies the Nazis would have fully eradicated had they been given the time? That's a hell of an oxymoron right there.
 
You don't follow Eastern Europe much nowadays do you ?

Supremacism based on etnicity is a real thing and a big issue, no matter what history says about german nationalsocialism. People are regularly killed e.g. in Moscow for no other good reason that etnicity.

Just because people are or were victims, it doesn't mean they cannot be executioners at the same time. So no, it is no oxymoron.

Genocide doesn't discriminate. It's for everyone. Even Nelson Mandelas (now ex-)wife was very fond of it, unfortunately.

Erm, what?

I never said that victims cannot also be executioners. That is not an oxymoron at all, many groups across history have been discriminated against and then, when they've found power, exacted revenge in a very similar way.

But no, Eastern Europeans, or as Hitler called them, untermensch, performing Nazi salutes or wearing the swastika is a gigantic oxymoron, considering that the leader of the ideology they now follow wanted to exterminate them or put them to work as slaves.

Being a racist Eastern European is not an oxy-macaron in the slightest. Being an Eastern European neo-Nazi is a gigantic oxymoron. How is that not ridiculously obvious?
 
The casuals culture of the 1980's bears no resemblance to these neo-nazi's.

Firms were as much about clothing and music as they were about having a scrap and taking a rival firms boozer.
 
Dunno about actual DEATH, but I've a very bad feeling it's going to get pretty messy out there... could set us back two decades if we're not careful!

You know FIFA are just itching to lay into us.

Load of England fans defend themselves from gangs of nutters on the prowl and we'll be the ones hammered for it!
 
England squad: shocking!

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart, Rob Green, John Ruddy
Defenders: Leighton Baines, Gary Cahill, Ashley Cole, Glen Johnson, Phil Jones, Joleon Lescott, John Terry
Midfielders: Gareth Barry, Stewart Downing, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Scott Parker, Theo Walcott, Ashley Young, James Milner
Forwards: Andy Carroll, Jermain Defoe, Wayne Rooney, Danny Welbeck
 
England squad for Euro 2012:

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Emirates Marketing Project), Rob Green (West Ham), John Ruddy (Norwich)

Defenders: Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Man United), John Terry (Chelsea), Joleon Lescott (Emirates Marketing Project), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Leighton Baines (Everton)

Midfielders: Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Stewart Downing (Liverpool), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Gareth Barry (Emirates Marketing Project), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), Scott Parker (Tottenham), Ashley Young (Man United), James Milner (Emirates Marketing Project)

Forwards: Wayne Rooney (Man United), Danny Welbeck (Man United), Andy Carroll (Liverpool), Jermain Defoe (Tottenham)
 
So, 442 with Carroll and Defoe up top for the group games? That could be interesting (both have points to prove)

Otherwise, the rest of the squad looks like the usual brick. Downing!? joke.
 
SHould have drawn a line under the "golden generation" and give the young players a chance. Players like Gerrard and Lampard have bottled enough big tournaments for us
 
It's not that bad really. We're England. Would have made room for Lennon though apparently Walker not fit (plus he has played a load of football this year) Still at least they'll get the rest!
 
Erm, Sturridge? Lennon?

If Oxlade-Chamberlain is in the squad then he MUST be used. Otherwise we have a situation similar to Walnut.
 
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