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The Official 2021/22 Premier League Thread

Lost Mango said:
Yes is the simple answer.

He has made a deliberate, active choice not to wear a flag for 90 minutes once or twice a week. That is saying he does not agree with homosexuality which is a significant form of homophobia.

If he wasn't homophobic (by upbringing of cultural influence), just 'homo/hetero-blind', then he would have shrugged it off as it didn't matter and would wear the Jersey as he does with any other sponsorship or logo.
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Nailed it.
I was against you until that last line - absolutely that. Spot on.
 
Lost Mango said:
Yes is the simple answer.

He has made a deliberate, active choice not to wear a flag for 90 minutes once or twice a week. That is saying he does not agree with homosexuality which is a significant form of homophobia.

If he wasn't homophobic (by upbringing of cultural influence), just 'homo/hetero-blind', then he would have shrugged it off as it didn't matter and would wear the Jersey as he does with any other sponsorship or logo.
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Interestingly W88 was sponsor of Palace in recent years, I see that deep rooted religious beliefs were to one side for a paying sponsor, so they do have some heart
 
Doesn't pluralism allow for all beliefs? Even the freedom to respect your religion. If that should be denied to people, then who are we to preach freedom to others?
 
SpurMeUp said:
Doesn't pluralism allow for all beliefs? Even the freedom to respect your religion. If that should be denied to people, then who are we to preach freedom to others?
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As mentioned before there is a stark difference between freedom to be and freedoms of beliefs. If you belief something thats bigoted its not really up to debate even if its under the cloud of religion.

I find it odd that people still conflate being gay as a belief
 
dingdongo said:
So... We want Everton to lose tonight? Well not win, A draw is ok too right?
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Are Everton more likely to get a result at Arsenal if they desperately need the points? They haven't looked like a team that responds well to adversity. Perhaps they'll get a better result without the pressure.
 
Grays_1890 said:
As mentioned before there is a stark difference between freedom to be and freedoms of beliefs. If you belief something thats bigoted its not really up to debate even if its under the cloud of religion.

I find it odd that people still conflate being gay as a belief
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I think you are confused. Being gay is not a belief, where did you pluck that from? Being free means accepting people can hold beliefs that are inconsistent with the mainstream. Or are you saying you can not, and you must fall in line? If that is the case, can we really preach liberty and freedom? It's philosophical more than practical. Freedom vs Inclusive Practice OMT if you like.
 
SpurMeUp said:
I think you are confused. Being gay is not a belief, where did you pluck that from? Being free means accepting people can hold beliefs that are inconsistent with the mainstream. Or are you saying you can not, and you must fall in line? If that is the case, can we really preach liberty and freedom? It's philosophical more than practical. Freedom vs Inclusive Practice OMT if you like.
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No I have been clear, being gay is not a belief its a right.

Believing homosexuality is wrong is not a right its a belief and as a belief or ideology it should be held up to scrutiny

My point is people seem to be conflating being gay with a belief
 
SpurMeUp said:
Doesn't pluralism allow for all beliefs? Even the freedom to respect your religion. If that should be denied to people, then who are we to preach freedom to others?
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Replace "gay" with "black" - still think it's ok to hold those beliefs?
 
scaramanga said:
Replace "gay" with "black" - still think it's ok to hold those beliefs?
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Yes its the same. You can not control people's beliefs and thoughts. Everyone should stand together to support black people and gay people when there is a call to action. But we can't force beliefs and actions onto people, and if we preach freedom, doesn't that mean for everyone even those who are religious, or is it only for beliefs you yourself follow?
 
SpurMeUp said:
Yes its the same. You can not control people's beliefs and thoughts. Everyone should stand together to support black people and gay people when there is a call to action. But we can't force beliefs and actions onto people, and if we preach freedom, doesn't that mean for everyone even those who are religious, or is it only for beliefs you yourself follow?
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No, because those beliefs are choices.

Nobody get to choose their skin colour or sexuality - so we accept those for what they are.
 
Have Villa rested Ings and Coutinho tonight to keep them fresh for the City game? Hope they get spanked at the weekend
 
scaramanga said:
No, because those beliefs are choices.

Nobody get to choose their skin colour or sexuality - so we accept those for what they are.
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Okay so you would prefer an individual was forced into backing a cause against their beliefs without freedom to step away? A bit like in dictatorships. Personally, I much prefer our reality where people have freedom to make their own choices, and there is free reporting of their actions and exposure. The alternative is draconian.
 
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