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The "Official" 2013/14 Other teams matches thread

Robspur12 said:
I despise the special cnut. But I have to admire the way he uses his substitutions. For all AVBs strengths the use of subs to change a game does not appear to be one. That said the special cnut's treatment of Mata is inexplicable.
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did Oscar go off injured? I never watched but I noticed Mikel coming on for Oscar which doesnt sound too attacking when you're 2-1 down at home. - I don't think AVBs subs are bad, I just think they are mistimed. I mean Cardiff game the subs changed the game, Lamela winning a header to Holtby who played it back to Lamela who assisted our winner for example.
 
Mumorn said:
did Oscar go off injured? I never watched but I noticed Mikel coming on for Oscar which doesnt sound too attacking when you're 2-1 down at home. - I don't think AVBs subs are bad, I just think they are mistimed. I mean Cardiff game the subs changed the game, Lamela winning a header to Holtby who played it back to Lamela who assisted our winner for example.
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Oscar went off for Mata. Mikel came off for azperlecueta. He already had 2 strikers on and Willian behind. Mis timed is correct about the subs by the time he had made them it seems they are too late to change the game.
 
Mumorn said:
did Oscar go off injured? I never watched but I noticed Mikel coming on for Oscar which doesnt sound too attacking when you're 2-1 down at home. - I don't think AVBs subs are bad, I just think they are mistimed. I mean Cardiff game the subs changed the game, Lamela winning a header to Holtby who played it back to Lamela who assisted our winner for example.
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Let's not forget Emirates Marketing Project at home last season the subs clearly changed the game.

Just another random stick to try and beat AVB with, as if any manager is constantly winning games he was losing because of his subs.
 
Robspur12 said:
Oscar went off for Mata. Mikel came off for azperlecueta. He already had 2 strikers on and Willian behind. Mis timed is correct about the subs by the time he had made them it seems they are too late to change the game.
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agreed regarding late in the game. Happened a few times.
 
Mumorn said:
Gerrard = 11 games (29 chances created)
Silva = 7 games (27 chances created)
Huddlestone = 10 games (23 chances created)
Noble = 10 games (22 chances created)
Ozil = 7 games (22 chances created)

very impressed by David Silva, but we all know about his ability. Interesting to see which Spurs player ranks up there.
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Townsend has the most with 17.
 
I think his first sub was the one where he messed up, Lampard off for Ba. They went 442, were more open through centre midfield (Mikel wasn't on yet) and West Brom could have more of a go at them and get their 2nd goal.
 
I suspect that if by the end of January Chelski aren't top of the league then I don't think they'll win it.
Perhaps a stato can confirm this but i'm sure Mourinho is not good at chasing down leaders (when he usually cracks) but is better at getting in front early and motivating his team to stay there (plus playing mind games with his rivals who are chasing).
 
glorygloryeze said:
I suspect that if by the end of January Chelski aren't top of the league then I don't think they'll win it.
Perhaps a stato can confirm this but i'm sure Mourinho is not good at chasing down leaders (when he usually cracks) but is better at getting in front early and motivating his team to stay there (plus playing mind games with his rivals who are chasing).
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IMO, Mourinho has lost his magic touch he used to have. He no longer looks like the "special one" he claimed himself to be. Would have liked him to become our manager before but not so sure now.
 
glorygloryeze said:
I suspect that if by the end of January Chelski aren't top of the league then I don't think they'll win it.
Perhaps a stato can confirm this but i'm sure Mourinho is not good at chasing down leaders (when he usually cracks) but is better at getting in front early and motivating his team to stay there (plus playing mind games with his rivals who are chasing).
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2004-05
End January: Chelsea 1st, P24, 61 points
End Season: Chelsea 1st, P38, 95 points

2005-06
End January: Chelsea 1st, P23, 62 points
End Season: Chelsea 1st, P38, 91 points

2009-10
End January: Chelsea 1st, P23, 54 points
End Season: Chelsea 1st, P38, 86 points
 
Hotshot-Tottenham said:
But what about the wording from the FA site about the laws of the game?

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there are lots of words in the English football lexicon that are not in the laws of the game, I doubt you'll find mixer, heads, one-two or slips in there either

I don't think anyone is arguing that charge isn't a correct description only that barge is the more commonly used phrased
 
Spursalot said:
Which is an interesting point, as all I ever hear in the Townsend criticism department is that he doesn't score goals or create chances.
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how do these stat masters define creating a chance??.....all i see Townsend do is have the ball, run with it, cut inside and then from 25 yards either have a shot himself or lay it off to a team mate for him to have a pop from outside the area

is that lay off considered as creating a chance??

and yes, Townsend doesnt score enough goals....1 so far this season in the PL, and that was meant as a cross!!
 
indianspur said:
how do these stat masters define creating a chance??.....all i see Townsend do is have the ball, run with it, cut inside and then from 25 yards either have a shot himself or lay it off to a team mate for him to have a pop from outside the area

is that lay off considered as creating a chance??

and yes, Townsend doesnt score enough goals....1 so far this season in the PL, and that was meant as a cross!!
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Does it matter so much how they describe it, as long as they are consistent looking across all players? In a comparison all that matters is that the players are compared using identical criteria. Granted if it was a small sample size you might have issues, but it's done across the entire league.

If it is counted as a chance, then it's also counted as a chance for every other player in the league.

If that's all you see Townsend doing, you aren't looking hard enough. He oft goes down the outside and swings in a dangerous cross for anyone running in.

I can agree with the goals issue, though I can't say we have a right sided player who looks like scoring any more than that, Lennon doesn't and lamela is still adjusting.
 
indianspur said:
how do these stat masters define creating a chance??.....all i see Townsend do is have the ball, run with it, cut inside and then from 25 yards either have a shot himself or lay it off to a team mate for him to have a pop from outside the area

is that lay off considered as creating a chance??

and yes, Townsend doesnt score enough goals....1 so far this season in the PL, and that was meant as a cross!!
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I'm almost certain it does.

Spursalot said:
Does it matter so much how they describe it, as long as they are consistent looking across all players? In a comparison all that matters is that the players are compared using identical criteria. Granted if it was a small sample size you might have issues, but it's done across the entire league.

If it is counted as a chance, then it's also counted as a chance for every other player in the league.

If that's all you see Townsend doing, you aren't looking hard enough. He oft goes down the outside and swings in a dangerous cross for anyone running in.

I can agree with the goals issue, though I can't say we have a right sided player who looks like scoring any more than that, Lennon doesn't and lamela is still adjusting.
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Well, yes. If that stat is being used to support one player over another then surely it matters? It's like saying that it doesn't matter where the shots are from, as long as they're counted consistently across all players and teams then shots on goal is a good stat to see which teams create good chances.

I agree that Townsend has more in his locker I agree, but he's still very raw.
 
galeforce said:
there are lots of words in the English football lexicon that are not in the laws of the game, I doubt you'll find mixer, heads, one-two or slips in there either

I don't think anyone is arguing that charge isn't a correct description only that barge is the more commonly used phrased
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Reminds me of being at school and some kids would say 'home goal' rather than 'own goal' :p
 
I was shocked by the level of naive defending that took place yesterday.

When Long scored his header v WBA, there were three Chelsea players around him, including Terry and Ivanovic, not one of them jumped to challenge Long.

When Eto'o scored the opener, it came as a rebound from the Myhill save. A defender was stuck struggling to get his feet right, instead of just hoofing the ball out of the immediate danger zone.

Wanyama pulled off a Kyle Walker moment in not paying attention to those around him, which led to Hull's goal.

After Lallana had done brilliantly to burst in to the box, not a single Hull centre back came to challenge him.

Horrible, schoolboy, defending everywhere!!
 
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