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The London Taxpayers' Stadium Shambles

Re: O/T West Ham Get Olympic Stadium

How long do people think the Olympic stadium will last before it needs demolishing and rebuilding, it was never designed to be a permanent structure? Does anyone know what penalties there are if West Ham want to quit the site before the 99 year lease is up?
 
Re: O/T West Ham Get Olympic Stadium

How long do people think the Olympic stadium will last before it needs demolishing and rebuilding, it was never designed to be a permanent structure? Does anyone know what penalties there are if West Ham want to quit the site before the 99 year lease is up?

The penalty would be to buy a large enough piece of land to built a football stadium on it. And that could be several times the price they receive now for their current ground.

What people seem to forget is that West Ham Utd does not own any reliable assets once they sold the Boleyn ground. Their future credit rating will certainly reflect that.
 
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All subject to judicial review. Lets wait and see if they get this stadium, lots of dodgy dealings gone on which a high court judge will just love to spend years pouring over...

Best case: west ham sell upton park, get hammered in a judicial review, end up without a ground and have to go to Barry Hearn for a ground share
 
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West Ham have now become a serious competitor for a stadium naming rights deal, if Levy hasnt already got a deal in place

plus.....

"West Ham will pay £15m for a 99-year lease and pay around £2m-a-year rent on the £429m venue, on which conversion costs could reach £190m"
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190 mill in conversion costs andnot having to substantially contribute? great deal for the Spammers imo....
 
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What makes this a SENSATIONAL deal from West Ham's position is that £2m in 99 years time (or even 20 years time), is worth a lot less than £2 mill now. I'm sure that one of our numerate or accountant- types could quickly do a discounted cash flow to get the real value. £2m a year for an iconic stadium which will have cost £500m to build and convert- it's daylight robbery, and we the taxpayer are getting shafted. How on earth WHam managed to negotiate this, I will never never know, the deal of the century.
 
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What makes this a SENSATIONAL deal from West Ham's position is that £2m in 99 years time (or even 20 years time), is worth a lot less than £2 mill now. I'm sure that one of our numerate or accountant- types could quickly do a discounted cash flow to get the real value. £2m a year for an iconic stadium which will have cost £500m to build and convert- it's daylight robbery, and we the taxpayer are getting shafted. How on earth WHam managed to negotiate this, I will never never know, the deal of the century.

I'd expect there to be regular rent reviews or it to be index linked
 
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fudge West Ham. Let em have the OS. They will end up with 20k real fans and 34k corporates and tourists for the few games they actually sell out. They are welcome to it.
 
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It will be interesting to see how they deal with the increased in capacity. Could expect a much larger away allocation the season they move into it.


Whilst they might not fill the stadium alone, if they offered us 15k seats we'd probably fill them.
 
Re: O/T West Ham Get Olympic Stadium

All subject to judicial review. Lets wait and see if they get this stadium, lots of dodgy dealings gone on which a high court judge will just love to spend years pouring over...

Best case: west ham sell upton park, get hammered in a judicial review, end up without a ground and have to go to Barry Hearn for a ground share

I'll be surprised if Hearn takes it all the way to a review. The O's proposed a ground-share, and West Ham said they weren't interested. Who were the other prospective co-tenants? No court is going to find that the Spammers should have been compelled to share. Just looking for hush money?
 
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West Ham have got a good deal but, since the bidding process was reopened, it was clear that they were the only credible option and their financial contribution would be modest. Under the original bid, where West Ham were going to own the stadium, I think they would have cut the stadium conversion costs as much as possible because they couldn't afford anything more. The conversion costs are now largely to be met from public funds and as a result they may well end up with a better stadium than if they'd owned it.

One detail that has surprised me - The Times is reporting that the London Legacy Development Corporation will cover "match-day costs such as stewarding and policing". If true that seems an unreasonable cost to the public.
 
Re: O/T West Ham Get Olympic Stadium

British taxpayers have just handed West Ham a stadium worth half a billion pounds... where's my bit of this £630m council house?

Dear West Ham

Could you please send me the part of the Olympic stadium that I now own? It seems the Government has given you millions of pounds of public money and, as a result, I have bought a piece of your new arena. I’d like that back, thank you.

Can you believe it? British taxpayers have just handed a Premier League football club a stadium worth half a billion pounds which, in these austere times, you might think is charity enough.

But not content with that almighty handout, the Government is throwing another £25million of public money in their direction to ensure the interior fittings, including new seats and a roof, are to their liking when they move into their gigantic new council house.

At the end of the process, West Ham will receive more than £630m of real estate with huge commercial potential and donate only £15m and £2m a year in rent for the privilege.

Now read those numbers again and tell me if you ever expect to understand the world of economics? I’m not sure I do but I know when I’m being ripped off.

They are getting the keys for less than it would cost to buy an average left-back. Worse still, they moaned about handing over even this meagre amount.

If West Ham wanted to put in retractable seats and modify the original design they should have paid for the changes themselves. Boris Johnson and Co had done enough for the Hammers to accept the stadium as it was, even with its flaws.

But Mayor Boris has buffooned his way through this whole process. Terrified he might be left with a ‘white elephant’, he caved in to every whim and moan. Friday’s press conference was so obsequious, I half expected him to unveil the new centre-forward the taxpayer had bought for the club.

‘It’s a deal people said could never be done,’ he jabbered. No they didn’t. They just hoped it wouldn’t be done quite like this.

It is excellent the stadium is being utilised, yet the terms are laughable. Let me put West Ham’s contribution in context. They could conceivably recoup their £2m rent within three or four home games with a capacity of 54,000.

It also grates to hear they made a song and dance about stumping up £15m towards the revamp when West Ham handed out cheques worth £4.4m to football agents last season alone.

The vice-chairman of West Ham, Karren Brady, declared: ‘We accept the cost of making this into a world-class stadium has come from the Government, but we hope over 99 years we can pay that back.’
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I’m not sure the British taxpayer is going to be won over by a polite ‘thank you for the stadium’ card accompanied by an IOU for £600m dated a century from now, but you could only admire the cheek.

No word as yet, either, on what will happen to West Ham’s current Upton Park home when they move to Stratford? If it is sold off, does the money go back to the Treasury? Let us hope so. But experience suggests it might not be an idea to hold your breath, not even for a hundred years.

Let us hope this is not our Olympic legacy. The country is nigh on broke. Hospitals are being closed, schools cannot afford books and soldiers are sent into combat with weaponry that is about as useful as a mop, should anything as inconvenient as actual fighting break out. Yet a member of one of the most lucrative sporting institutions in the world is effectively receiving a huge benefit handout from the State.

The Premier League is awash with cash. The new television deals are worth upwards of £5.5 billion over three years and that windfall will be shared between just 20 clubs. Even the bottom club will pick up £60m merely for turning up for one season.

The Premier League’s revenue last year — give or take a prawn sandwich — was £1,286,000,000.00. I’ve included the row of noughts because it’s easy to talk about a million here and a billion there without realising the true scale of the numbers involved.

This is big money. Contrast it with headlines in the newspapers warning half-a-million families were losing childcare vouchers, gas bills were going up 15 per cent and tax rises could be on the way unless someone hits George Osborne around the head with that red briefcase.

Let me bring it closer to home and ask you a question. How do you plan to finance your pension portfolio? Is the answer...

a) My what?
b) With a winner at Newbury today.
c) By selling a kidney.

Many people are skint and resentful. The economic pinch has turned into something more bruising.


And with perfect timing, Danny Boyle, the man behind the spectacular London 2012 opening ceremony, suggested the Olympic spirit had been killed by the recession. Killed? It was more a contract assassination. Then a few million more was slapped on the table to try to dispose of the body as quietly as possible.

So a football club owned by two multi-millionaires not only picked up a stadium for next to nothing, but also persuaded others to make it even more profitable for them.

This is a fine deal for West Ham, but not for the people of Sheffield, who saw their Don Valley athletics stadium close this month. Or for little Leyton Orient, who fear going bust with this tax-funded goliath on their doorstep. Or for supporters across the country sitting in their own decrepit grandstands. They all paid for this new ground, though.

So well done to David Gold and David Sullivan, men who originally built their fortunes on profits made from the pornographic industry. I’d say they pulled it off, but it might be misconstrued. At least they should be able to count the cash from here on in.

I just wonder what their next money-spinning product might be? My suggestion is a film entitled The Great British Taxpayer — Shafted!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...m-Olympic-Stadium-wheres-share-Des-Kelly.html

:lol:
 
Re: O/T West Ham Get Olympic Stadium

I'll be surprised if Hearn takes it all the way to a review. The O's proposed a ground-share, and West Ham said they weren't interested. Who were the other prospective co-tenants? No court is going to find that the Spammers should have been compelled to share. Just looking for hush money?

Although I agree it could be posturing on Hearns part, and I have a great soft spot for the Orient and the purpose of a judicial review is the nuclear option in that all bets are off, I can see a review being granted if the adjudicator isn't happy with the re-submitted bid. Not only will he have to see every little bit of the FA decision to ignore its own rules ( the within 1 mile rule being the big one ) but also every political manoeuvre by successive governments desperate to move this elephant along, every local planning decision which we all know may have business interests at heart, all the key players testimony etc. If he's not happy it's back to square one for the lot of them, because once it passes the tests for JR that means a major taxpayer headache, and a lengthy process of picking apart every decision in the whole sorry debacle.

It really is the nuclear option and to be honest I'd like to get this stinking mess out into the air
 
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What happens if the O's push the 1 mile rule? Thats the big one for me, and I'm baffled why its hardly being mentioned. Everything is being focused on why West Ham wont share.

I wonder if Hearn is keeping it up his sleeve, but I do worry its being over looked.

would love to know the ramifications of them pursuing that point. Could the spammers be left in their lovely new world class stadium, but not be allowed to play any games in it. That would be too lovely for words!

I'm really bothered by how the O's are being treated in this. I'm a Leyton lad originally, and the family we're all O's from when we lived down there. Think we had some distant relatives of my Grandads generation played for them etc...
 
Re: O/T West Ham Get Olympic Stadium

What happens if the O's push the 1 mile rule? Thats the big one for me, and I'm baffled why its hardly being mentioned. Everything is being focused on why West Ham wont share.

I wonder if Hearn is keeping it up his sleeve, but I do worry its being over looked.

would love to know the ramifications of them pursuing that point. Could the spammers be left in their lovely new world class stadium, but not be allowed to play any games in it. That would be too lovely for words!

I'm really bothered by how the O's are being treated in this. I'm a Leyton lad originally, and the family we're all O's from when we lived down there. Think we had some distant relatives of my Grandads generation played for them etc...

I think that the rule only applies to clubs in the football league
 
Re: O/T West Ham Get Olympic Stadium

Just trash the joint on your next visit. Take a few souvenirs, preferably load bearing.
 
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Just remind west ham fans they are nothing more than the benefits scum most of them bemoan with their ukip sympathising ways.

A bit like a council estate version of Chelsea.

Football died as a sport with ambramvich anyway, so any Chelsea, man c, Wigan, Fulham, and now w.ham success is entirely irrelevant
 
Re: O/T West Ham Get Olympic Stadium

Just remind west ham fans they are nothing more than the benefits scum most of them bemoan with their ukip sympathising ways.

A bit like a council estate version of Chelsea.

Football died as a sport with ambramvich anyway, so any Chelsea, man c, Wigan, Fulham, and now w.ham success is entirely irrelevant


Ridiculous comment.

Most of them couldn't even spell UKIP
 
Re: O/T West Ham Get Olympic Stadium

The penalty would be to buy a large enough piece of land to built a football stadium on it. And that could be several times the price they receive now for their current ground.

What people seem to forget is that West Ham Utd does not own any reliable assets once they sold the Boleyn ground. Their future credit rating will certainly reflect that.

Commercial leases normally have financial penalties for early exit. It is possible that there are break points where the penalties may be less but it would be very foolish if the LLDC did not get some guarantees of tenure.
 
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