Grays_1890
Barry Daines
It is the reality, you can't hide from Jose thats one thing I will give him.
It all feels alittle Lukaku M1 at Chelsea
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Tanguy Ndombele
- Thread starter JerusalemMan
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It is the reality, you can't hide from Jose thats one thing I will give him.
It all feels alittle Lukaku M1 at Chelsea
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Some French bloke on Twitter (Julien Maynard) reporting that Ndombele's relationship with Mourinho has broken down and that he wants to leave.
Might be totally fake, but in the event that it's true - don't let the door hit you on the way out, mate. Given how slowly you move, that's a legitimate danger.
Might be totally fake, but in the event that it's true - don't let the door hit you on the way out, mate. Given how slowly you move, that's a legitimate danger.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
His issue is no one will want to buy him at the fee we would want
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
Knowing how Jose is and kinda building a picture of how Ndombele is, it's got a high chance of not being compatible.
ShipOfTheseus
Clint Dempsey
A loan until January, maybe? We’d be nutty to sell anyone at a loss because they have fallen out with Mad Mo, given his average length of tenure.
It’s got nothing to do with Mourinho, it’s the basic demands on a Premier League player. No matter what your ability is if you’re not fit enough to get around the pitch especially in a CM position you won’t make it here. Much as I love his skills, every time I’ve seen him he’s blowing out of his backside by the 30 minute mark. Not having any games for 3 months he isnt suddenly going to come back fitter than ever regardless of his lockdown fitness regime. I really think all we are going to see is a couple of cameos this season, then we will see after a proper pre season where he truly stands next season....
Probably somewhere around the 30yard mark from our own goal huffing and puffing like he's run a marathon but it's only 10 minutes in to the game.
Completely. I've seen some people say that we should pair him and GLC in CM. GLC is a geat example for Ndombele to copy - not a physically big guy or really an athlete, but he works his rear end off and there is no reason Ndombele shouldnt be able to do the same if his attitude was right.
As it is, we couldnt play TN in CM given what he has currently shown in terms of work-rate. The only position for him until he works harder is Dele's role, so he'll need to wait his turn
It wouldn’t surprise me if true. Could he be on his way to Barca to replace Arthur, who it seems is about to net them a big chunk of cash?
I’d imagine Mourinho would keep him on the bench so as not to draw to much attention to another falling out and keep his value relatively high.
I’d imagine Mourinho would keep him on the bench so as not to draw to much attention to another falling out and keep his value relatively high.
Maybe Mourino thought yesterday was a must win match in the CL race and didn't feel he was ready for such a game which would seem fair to me then at 1-0 although we looked comfortable we always look like we could concede.
I'm surprised he didn't come on after we went 2-0 up just to get a few minutes though.
I'm surprised he didn't come on after we went 2-0 up just to get a few minutes though.
We couldnt bring him on at that point. We'd made 3 separate subs so couldnt make a 4th or 5th
"another falling out"? really? Its just TN being lazy and not willing to put in the basic effort that should be a pre-requisite for every professional footballer
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
Two of the greatest players I've seen at this club couldn't tackle or run any further than they had to, but both Greaves and Hoddle delivered results and terrified opponents.
Bishop
Nick Barmby
The funny thing is he was doing just that. It's really as our form really continued to stink and Poch seemed to have no idea how to fix things that his own performances dropped. Of course the introduction of Jose hasn't gone well for him, but he truly has the talent and we have seen it with our own eyes. It will be a tremendous failure if we can't harness the talents he has.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
of course it has.
Jose doesn't suffer fools gladly, and any sign of a weak mentality doesn't wash with him. (a pet hate) He'll give you a little window to show that you are on board and up for it BUT it doesn't take long for him to become exasperated with the situation and then it's downhill from there. Of course other managers do have a different approach, more nurture, more empathy etc. Not Jose, thats why i say, from what we can judge from the outside and observations of Ndombele in the game time he's had, he'll just fall foul of Jose's standards. FWIW i'm with Jose.
The problem Ndombele has is he has a similar timeline as La Celso (although Ndombele actually had a longer pre-season with us). Both started a bit, both got injured, both recovered but La Celso gives all he can in a game, every time he can. Thats why its telling when Jose often talks abot La Celso, Lamela etc giving the team something even when they weren't fully ready. That makes Ndombele's situation worse because, rightly or wrongly, he's perceived as being the opposite of that. Of course, within the club they will know if he IS that.
DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Don't disagree with any of that. The only question mark I'd have is whether Jose's style works as well these days as it used to.
I'm writing Ndombele off at this point. Not that I think the situation is beyond repair or he doesn't have the talent. It isn't and he undoubtedly has. But I don't see him fitting in with Jose and I think the manager has made up his mind like he did with so many other players throughout his career. It tinkles me off because I truly think he has bags of talent and could be a magnificent player but I don't see it happening for him here.
And the papers are reporting Jose denied a rift with the player in his press conference. It could well be paper talk but if you listen to what Jose actually said, he didn't deny anything.
Well obviously it has something to do with Jose in the sense that he is manager. But tell me a top team these days who has a player so absent in fitness and can only do somethings on the ball and doesn’t do any work when not in possession? The days of your Ginolas, Le Tissier etc are gone if you want to play at a team in the higher bracket. Would Klopp or Pep play him? No chance. He’s trying to get his fitness to the required level which by the state of him pre lockdown is going to take a while. Lo Celso is a good example, so many were going on about their concerns Jose wasn’t playing him straight away whilst Mourinho was saying he wasn’t ready. When Jose perceived him as ready he played him and hasn’t looked back since. I think will end up being the same with NDombele but the player has to show he wants it and rightly so. He wouldn’t be getting anymore game time at other clubs on our level, he needs to get his head right and buckle down this summer and I’ve no doubt he will be big for us next season....
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
He clearly denied it from what I’ve read
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
I wondered that yesterday
It’s a like for like almost but potentially with a saving for Barca and minimal loss for us
DeanoAustin
Rafael Van Der Vaart
I watched it and Ally Gold asked him was there an argument and his words, from memory, were “There is nothing, I can only play 11 players.” There was no “Tanguy and me are fine, there was no argument.”
Watching it, I was thinking the reports could well be true and Jose hasn’t lied there. Likewise there could be nothing in it.