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Tanguy Ndombele

Athletic running a piece that says he's decision to want out is based/started on Mason dropping him for the cup final last season.
 
Raziel said:
Athletic running a piece that says he's decision to want out is based/started on Mason dropping him for the cup final last season.
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If that is the case firstly, he needs to grow up and see the bigger picture - Mason was only ever temporary. More importantly it again just highlights his weak mentality, rather than wanting to show the new manager what he's made of and he should be a focal point he wants to take the easy option out and leave. He really has been a disappointment....
 
Raziel said:
Athletic running a piece that says he's decision to want out is based/started on Mason dropping him for the cup final last season.
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Would make sense. Don't think the Athletic would write that without decent sources.

Some hope then that he can find a way to work with Nuno who wasn't the one to drop him.

Just to add, him not even coming on from the bench in the final was a weird old decision.

Us signing him was seen as a bit of a steal, partly because none of the bigger clubs went after him (City going for Rodri instead was reported iirc). That was when we'd just been in the CL final and it's pretty much been downhill since.

I can understand him being frustrated finding himself well below where he had his ambitions, working his way back into the team, then being dropped for the final.

I can understand him wanting away just as much as I can for Kane, though the situations are obviously very different. At least Ndombele showed up for training and so far hasn't appeared in a golfing interview with whoever the French version of Gary Neville is.
 
The Athletic article also says he wants a move to a bigger club, which I find interesting if true. Suggests to me he's still ambitious, but also somewhat in denial about his attitude and performances - I can't see any bigger club wanting him based on his time at Tottenham. Fingers crossed he's therefore still here once the window's closed, and that makes him finally realise that he needs to change his mindset and attitude if he is to have the kind of career he seemingly still wants. And hopefully Nuno is the manager to help him do that.
 
elltrev said:
The Athletic article also says he wants a move to a bigger club, which I find interesting if true. Suggests to me he's still ambitious, but also somewhat in denial about his attitude and performances - I can't see any bigger club wanting him based on his time at Tottenham. Fingers crossed he's therefore still here once the window's closed, and that makes him finally realise that he needs to change his mindset and attitude if he is to have the kind of career he seemingly still wants. And hopefully Nuno is the manager to help him do that.
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I reckon he went to McDonalds with Charlie Kane and he made him some promises whilst sharing a McFlurry
 
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DeanoAustin said:
He has a fudging cheek. If memory serves, he delivered a disgraceful performance against Southampton the Wednesday before. For all his talent, his attitude has continually been brick and he needs a good look in the mirror.
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While that is true, he had worked his ass off to get back in with Jose, the cup final would have been the biggest game of his career so far, to get dropped for Winks?

Clearly mentally fragile, but I do feel him on that one.
 
Raziel said:
While that is true, he had worked his ass off to get back in with Jose, the cup final would have been the biggest game of his career so far, to get dropped for Winks?

Clearly mentally fragile, but I do feel him on that one.
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Had he worked his ass off though? Even under Jose he never looked as though his fitness / attitude was right to me.
 
elltrev said:
Just made a couple of video clips as examples of what I'm talking about.

First one: Ndombele makes no effort to get on the ball whatsoever, pointing for the pass to go backwards to another player instead:


Second one, 5 minutes later: he initially makes a small amount of effort to get on the ball, doesn't receive it, gets frustrated, jogs away, points for the pass to go to another defender, and eventually complains / gets frustrated again. When the ball finally gets passed to him at the end of the clip, he shows the most energy of the entire 35 seconds.

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I posted this after the Arsenal game, just a month before the Cup final.
 
Raziel said:
While that is true, he had worked his ass off to get back in with Jose, the cup final would have been the biggest game of his career so far, to get dropped for Winks?

Clearly mentally fragile, but I do feel him on that one.
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I get the point but he didn't try a leg against Southampton. A bad performance I could live with but he wasn't trying.

If you do that, you deserve to be dropped. At some point he's got to look in the mirror and wonder why a lad with more talent than pretty much all of our squad is now 24 and achieving so little. It can't always be everyone else's fault.
 
elltrev said:
I posted this after the Arsenal game, just a month before the Cup final.
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Both look fine to me.

Against a medium block, complete control of possession at the back, one of them leading 1-0 away to Arsenal.

What exactly do you want him to do here?
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That second one is astonishing!
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Astonishing from Alderweireld yes. Move the ball left to right, Sanchez is available, finding him could make either Aurier or Ndombele available for easy passes that would be at least marginally useful. Alternatively Lloris, or back to the left. Instead, back to left where the Arsenal players already are having shifted to that side. Back into congestion and trouble. No discernable upside, clear potential risk.

Meanwhile Ndombele who understands space and movement is standing there, where he should be, potentially available for a useful pass if the obvious pass is made first, pointing at the obvious pass that should be made wondering how on earth the ball ended up on the left and in congestion again.
 
braineclipse said:
Both look fine to me.

Against a medium block, complete control of possession at the back, one of them leading 1-0 away to Arsenal.

What exactly do you want him to do here? Astonishing from Alderweireld yes. Move the ball left to right, Sanchez is available, finding him could make either Aurier or Ndombele available for easy passes that would be at least marginally useful. Alternatively Lloris, or back to the left. Instead, back to left where the Arsenal players already are having shifted to that side. Back into congestion and trouble. No discernable upside, clear potential risk.

Meanwhile Ndombele who understands space and movement is standing there, where he should be, potentially available for a useful pass if the obvious pass is made first, pointing at the obvious pass that should be made wondering how on earth the ball ended up on the left and in congestion again.
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This is why I like posting video clips - fascinating to see how people's opinions can diverge when looking at the exact same 10 second clip!

In the first clip, I just want him to move. That's it. I appreciate we're 1-0 up, but surely you still want both of your central midfielders to be trying to get on the ball?

In the second clip, it's more his attitude - twice showing his frustration at where his teammates are passing, and not in a constructive way (i.e. he doesn't actually try and communicate with them). To me it feels reflective of laziness more than superior positional awareness. Especially as I don't agree that a pass to Sanchez was necessarily the superior option - Arsenal were only a few yards shifted to our left, and would have very easily shifted back the other way if Toby had passed back to Sanchez:

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I have never doubted his ability but with the evidence of my own eyes I've seen him do unbelievable things with the ball and shuffle about like it's the old fashioned warm ups in match. I cant stand players like him with so much talent and just cant be bothered and will do it when it suits them.
How can you build anything with him in the side?

I would love for him to prove me wrong and use what he has to make himself into a world beater.
 
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