Summer transfer thread, AvB window wrap up pg 1527

[monkeybarry]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

There is,of course, the real possibility that we want a good squad size so we can have a good go at the lge, fa cup and euro lge.

And that if we have a few versatile players we can mix it up frm game to game and during a game without becoming disjointed and disrupting rhythm.

 

[marcospur2]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

I guess we will see Friday, but current indications suggest a more revolutionary approach than might have been expected. With Dawson and Huddlestone known to be available it isn't necessarily a stretch to believe VDV might be as well. My concern is to ensure we build on what enabled us to achieve 4th and not tear it apart. But I am willing to let AVB do what he thinks is best, and indeed support his right to do that. The next two days though are crucial.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

If you search hard enough, at any point in time you can find rumours that could more than concern you.
Waiting until they are more than mere rumour is the wise choice, elsewise you live in a state of permanent concern.
Unless you are only paying attention to it because it does not shock you and fits with your suspicions?

Quite possibly, although it would appear Dawson and Huddlestone out are not just rumours. But maybe I am more affected by that news because I rate Dawson over Kaboul, and Huddlestone over Jenas/Livermore.

Parker losing his position to Sandro I was prepared for (and agree with), but not the rumours we'd be trying to offload him. I like Sandro and think he'll be a deserved mainstay in our team for years to come if he chooses to stay, but I am not as into him as most on this forum seem to be and AFAIC what he has over Parker is he is younger and better in the air. I figured that AVB would play 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 or whatever you want to call it, and that has been confirmed. The problem is I can't really see how VDV effectively fits into that formation in the Premiership and the fact he was benched first match and brought off (incorrect decision IMO) against WBA doesn't bode well for his future at the club.

 

[milo]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

I guess we will see Friday, but current indications suggest a more revolutionary approach than might have been expected. With Dawson and Huddlestone known to be available it isn't necessarily a stretch to believe VDV might be as well. My concern is to ensure we build on what enabled us to achieve 4th and not tear it apart. But I am willing to let AVB do what he thinks is best, and indeed support his right to do that. The next two days though are crucial.

I agree in part but I am concerned that the new players will take time to settle and by the time they have it will be too late to challenge this season. I am not convinced that the squad needed a major overhaul, just a handful of additions in positions where we were weak and upgrades if they are available.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

How revolutionary is it?

Modric and King are out of his hands.

Otherwise he appears to be getting the players he feel are required to make it work.

From last year, so far, Friedel,Walker, Kaboul, Ekotto, Livermore, Sandro, Bale, Lennon, VDV and Adebayor have been playing.

Hardly sounds as revolutionary as people try to make out.

Dawson, Huddlestone, Kranjcar, Corluka... None of these have been regular in the last season or more.

 

[milo]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

Quite possibly, although it would appear Dawson and Huddlestone out are not just rumours. But maybe I am more affected by that news because I rate Dawson over Kaboul, and Huddlestone over Jenas/Livermore.

Parker losing his position to Sandro I was prepared for (and agree with), but not the rumours we'd be trying to offload him. I like Sandro and think he'll be a deserved mainstay in our team for years to come if he chooses to stay, but I am not as into him as most on this forum seem to be and AFAIC what he has over Parker is he is younger and better in the air. I figured that AVB would play 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 or whatever you want to call it, and that has been confirmed. The problem is I can't really see how VDV effectively fits into that formation in the Premiership and the fact he was benched first match and brought off (incorrect decision IMO) against WBA doesn't bode well for his future at the club.

I think that it might be Levy behind some of these (rumoured) sales, cashing in on players in their late twenties and replacing them with younger players for the same or similar sums.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

I guess we will see Friday, but current indications suggest a more revolutionary approach than might have been expected. With Dawson and Huddlestone known to be available it isn't necessarily a stretch to believe VDV might be as well. My concern is to ensure we build on what enabled us to achieve 4th and not tear it apart. But I am willing to let AVB do what he thinks is best, and indeed support his right to do that. The next two days though are crucial.

It's clear that AVB wants pace in the side and, for now anyway, is willing to sacrifice technique and ability for athleticism. It could be a genius move if we build a solid foundation from which to launch a new system and Spurs from but I think it's a massive risk and I would have preferred a slower evolution utilising the great work that HR had done previously. Instead we look to be tearing it all down and starting again.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

Amazed that people STILL think we can afford Moutinho or Damiao?!?!? Crazy.................!

We're still £15m in profit just from this summer's dealings. Then there's the Crouch, Palacios, Pav money that was never reinvested (c.£25m). Defoe, Jenas, Dawson, Gio, Gomes etc leaving this week could raise a bit more.

I don't think £50m on Lloris, Moutinho and Leandro is completely out of the question.

 

[milo]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

How revolutionary is it?

Modric and King are out of his hands.

Otherwise he appears to be getting the players he feel are required to make it work.

From last year, so far, Friedel,Walker, Kaboul, Ekotto, Livermore, Sandro, Bale, Lennon, VDV and Adebayor have been playing.

Hardly sounds as revolutionary as people try to make out.

Dawson, Huddlestone, Kranjcar, Corluka... None of these have been regular in the last season or more.

We will know on Friday but if Lennon, Huddlestone, Defoe, Dawson and Parker go then we have lost some good, proven, Premiership players who could still do a job for us

 

[P.D.]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

Let me guess....Jjetset said so?

I don't quite understand why people think a midfield e of Moutinho, Dembele and Sandro is better than Dembele, Sandro and Sigurddson. Sigurddson is a very direct player that will provide the link between midfield and attack and will contribute in terms of goals. Mout is a playmaker and Dembele has been playing the same role for Fulham. Why exactly is 2 playmakers better than 1 playmaker and 1 attacking mid that links midfield and attack?

I thought Sig was more a Lampard style player i.e. arrive late in the box, pick it up outside the box etc.

I havent seen any evidence that he possesses great vision or passing ability, hes not bad at them but you need to be great to knit the play like you are suggesting in a top team.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

It's clear that AVB wants pace in the side and, for now anyway, is willing to sacrifice technique and ability for athleticism. It could be a genius move if we build a solid foundation from which to launch a new system and Spurs from but I think it's a massive risk and I would have preferred a slower evolution utilising the great work that HR had done previously. Instead we look to be tearing it all down and starting again.

How is that clear? Because Dawson and Huddlestone (not a part of Harrys work last season) are being made available?

I think AVB IS building on Harrys great work, he is just organising it more. He is taking a pretty well balanced and fluid side and giving it more of a framework. Hopefully it will come off, early signs IMO are that it is bedding in.

 

[marcospur2]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

How revolutionary is it?

Modric and King are out of his hands.

Otherwise he appears to be getting the players he feel are required to make it work.

From last year, so far, Friedel,Walker, Kaboul, Ekotto, Livermore, Sandro, Bale, Lennon, VDV and Adebayor have been playing.

Hardly sounds as revolutionary as people try to make out.

Dawson, Huddlestone, Kranjcar, Corluka... None of these have been regular in the last season or more.

Agree on out of hands, I accept that.

As I say lets see what happens in the remainder of this window. But revolutionary also applies to the system we are playing, not just about personnel. Indeed it is the combination of these factors which will inevitably raise insecurity about how we might fair this season. I would also say if it is Lloris for Friedel, if VDV goes, Livermore returns to bench, and even Lennon departs or is displaced then that would give further ammunition to the idea the changes under AVB are more revolutionary - whether or not one agrees with them.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

We will know on Friday but if Lennon, Huddlestone, Defoe, Dawson and Parker go then we have lost some good, proven, Premiership players who could still do a job for us

Using Redknapp's system of 4-4-x with the patient passing game : Friedel, Walker, Dawson, Verts, Ekotto, Lennon, Sandro, Huddlestone, Bale, VDV, Ade : That's a top six team right there. One even pushing top four.

Switch now to a 4-2-3-1, direct, fast pressing and high line system with : Friedel (new keeper?), Walker, Kaboul, Verts (Gallas?), Ekotto, Lennon (new player?), Sandro, Dembele, Sigurdsson, Bale, Ade : And IMO you have a team lacking guile (Hudd and VDV bring it in the other system) and a side that will do well to finish top six.

I guess I would have liked AVB to maintain what the players already know, and what has served us well, until he has at least been there for a few months and got in a few newer faces that fit this new fangled system of his. IMO he made this mistake at Chelsea too, and I hope he isn't repeating it with us by trying to change too much, too soon.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

I thought Sig was more a Lampard style player i.e. arrive late in the box, pick it up outside the box etc.

I havent seen any evidence that he possesses great vision or passing ability, hes not bad at them but you need to be great to knit the play like you are suggesting in a top team.

Lampard actually is a great passer of the ball and has a vision! But I agree he is a similar type of player. From what I have seen Sigurdsson reminds me an awful lot of Allan Nielsen and probably has a similar ability level as well.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

We will know on Friday but if Lennon, Huddlestone, Defoe, Dawson and Parker go then we have lost some good, proven, Premiership players who could still do a job for us

Lennon - If he went it would be a massive shock. Not likely, IMO.
Huddlestone - Has been clarified as going out on loan to get up to speed. Reports have it the deal broke down because Stoke didnt want us to have a Jan release clause, so Im inclined to think it is exactly as we said. Getting Huddlestone up to speed - TO RETURN...
Defoe - Clearly not built for the new direction, while I like him I wouldnt be concerned if he left so long as he was replaced
Dawson - Honestly not that bothered either way on this one. I like him, but I dont see him in the team unless we have a string of injuries so figure he cant be that essential to us.
Parker - Injured, not going anywhere just yet. And, IMO, while rumored not to be fancied can push his way into the team.

So personally I really dont see it as that dramatic

 

[indianspur]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

Saudi Sportswashing Machine boss Alan Pardew has called for future transfer windows to be closed before the season begins.
Pardew told BBC Saudi Sportswashing Machine: "It's unsettling and unsavoury and it needs to be eliminated.
"It's really not fair. The transfer window should be shut before we kick a ball and that way everyone knows where they are.
"If you can't do your business in the summer, then I don't know why because there is plenty of time."
Saudi Sportswashing Machine have signed four players this summer, bringing in Vurnon Anita from Ajax, Gael Bigirimana from Coventry, free agent Romain Amalfitano and Curtis Good from Australian outfit Melbourne Heart.
But they have been victims of late transfer business before, selling striker Andy Carroll to Liverpool for £35m minutes before the deadline in January 2011.
Pardew added: "The reality is it (the transfer window) shuts on Friday night and we have to sweat right up to 12 o'clock. That's the type of club we are now.
"The top three or four teams have a massive advantage; they can even play with you and say they are coming for one of your players but then not actually [do so]. I'm sure that goes on."

 

[milo]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

How is that clear? Because Dawson and Huddlestone (not a part of Harrys work last season) are being made available?

I think AVB IS building on Harrys great work, he is just organising it more. He is taking a pretty well balanced and fluid side and giving it more of a framework. Hopefully it will come off, early signs IMO are that it is bedding in.

I think that MLK is right, key to AVB's system is closing down the opposition quickly from the front. This system requires athletic, quick players, I think that it is no coincidence that many of the players being linked with moves away do not fit this requirement.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

Saudi Sportswashing Machine boss Alan Pardew has called for future transfer windows to be closed before the season begins.
Pardew told BBC Saudi Sportswashing Machine: "It's unsettling and unsavoury and it needs to be eliminated.
"It's really not fair. The transfer window should be shut before we kick a ball and that way everyone knows where they are.
"If you can't do your business in the summer, then I don't know why because there is plenty of time."
Saudi Sportswashing Machine have signed four players this summer, bringing in Vurnon Anita from Ajax, Gael Bigirimana from Coventry, free agent Romain Amalfitano and Curtis Good from Australian outfit Melbourne Heart.
But they have been victims of late transfer business before, selling striker Andy Carroll to Liverpool for £35m minutes before the deadline in January 2011.
Pardew added: "The reality is it (the transfer window) shuts on Friday night and we have to sweat right up to 12 o'clock. That's the type of club we are now.
"The top three or four teams have a massive advantage; they can even play with you and say they are coming for one of your players but then not actually [do so]. I'm sure that goes on."

Totally agree with him.

 

[JerusalemMan]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

It's clear that AVB wants pace in the side and, for now anyway, is willing to sacrifice technique and ability for athleticism. It could be a genius move if we build a solid foundation from which to launch a new system and Spurs from but I think it's a massive risk and I would have preferred a slower evolution utilising the great work that HR had done previously. Instead we look to be tearing it all down and starting again.

Possibly, possibly.

But we've only got two days before we can actually start talking from a position of knowledge and certainty as opposed to rumour and hopes.
The melting pot of the window's end with our club is just gold for journalists, attention-seekers and trouble-makers as well as agents and slightly restless players. So sifting the (maybe) 10% of truth is a Sisyphean task.
For the next few days anyway.

There's lot that many of us could say depending on what turns out to be true. So I'm looking forward to the point at which we can start discussing things from more solid ground, while still enjoying the exhilaration of this short period.

 

[milo]

Re: The summer transfer thread, Dembele pg 1277 #Levytime

Lennon - If he went it would be a massive shock. Not likely, IMO.
Huddlestone - Has been clarified as going out on loan to get up to speed. Reports have it the deal broke down because Stoke didnt want us to have a Jan release clause, so Im inclined to think it is exactly as we said. Getting Huddlestone up to speed - TO RETURN...
Defoe - Clearly not built for the new direction, while I like him I wouldnt be concerned if he left so long as he was replaced
Dawson - Honestly not that bothered either way on this one. I like him, but I dont see him in the team unless we have a string of injuries so figure he cant be that essential to us.
Parker - Injured, not going anywhere just yet. And, IMO, while rumored not to be fancied can push his way into the team.

So personally I really dont see it as that dramatic

Who knows, I'm commenting on rumours and speculation. Roll on Friday night when we can start to assess the transfer window objectively.