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Summer 2018 transfer thread

I would have been delighted with Zaha back in May. A bit more sceptical about Grealish, though Ive warmed to the idea since - and thats nothing to do with "transfer pressure" or media narrative.




Spoken as fact, in true GB style, when its utterly unreliable - as usual. At the outside Ive seen rumors of £70m and £40 for the players respectively. We'll never pay that for either, but just slap £10m on top and make it sound absolute - why not?

We will not pay 70 mill and 40 mill all in one go, but I wouldn't be surprised if deals are structured where for example we pay 50 mill for Zaha plus 20 mill in add ons and 25 mill for Grealish and 15 mill in add ons. The Zaha one will be most difficult because Palace don't have to sell, he only just signed a new long term contract and if there is a big sell on clause due to Utd then that will further complicate matters and possibly increase his valuation
 
Yeah, I like Zaha as well, but not quite sure how we'll fit him in if he expects to start every game. I assume he'll take up the same role as Son/Lucas, but potentially also as a Kane sub if needed? Poch likes versatiles players. If we got him for 50 mill, I'd say that would be a good signing. Come to think of it, seeing as Son will be away with Korea for some time, he might slot right in. Same with Graelish, considering our lack of CM's currently (or is he more of an Eriksen type AM?).


I think when you make a step up from a club like Palace, where you are playing every week and the main man, and come to a much bigger club like us (or Chelsea, City, Arsenal etc) you won’t necessarily expect to start every game. Zaha would probably know this and you move to clubs like us either for money (haha not us) or to win things (again not us but we are trying) so I don’t think he will expect to start every game. He could be a great second half sub if Alli or Son aren’t playing well or when we literally cannot score for love nor money against a West Brom type of team (I know they aren’t in the league anymore but you get my point?). He would add a plan B I think which we have struggled for years and never really solved. He is 26 in November so should be around his peak and improving so I’m excited if we get him.
 
Zaha wouldn’t get into our match day squad?

What an odd thing to say.

I’m not convinced by him, but he’s the right sort of attacker we should be signing.

Son, Eriksen and Alli start. Moura and Lamela are the two AM subs. Zaha is 6th in that pecking order, taking Sissoko's minutes
 
We will not pay 70 mill and 40 mill all in one go, but I wouldn't be surprised if deals are structured where for example we pay 50 mill for Zaha plus 20 mill in add ons and 25 mill for Grealish and 15 mill in add ons. The Zaha one will be most difficult because Palace don't have to sell, he only just signed a new long term contract and if there is a big sell on clause due to Utd then that will further complicate matters and possibly increase his valuation

Palace need the deal structured in their favour because of the 25% they have to pay upfront to United
 
We've been successful in recent years, but I'd be reluctant to say its because of our transfer policy. Feels more despite our transfer policy

Of course its because of our transfer policy. We have the players we have, for what they cost, precisely because of it. And we wouldnt have had that success without them/it.

What bothers me more is the idea that the policy is
"Lets leave everything deliberately late in the window, and simply gamble on getting a result".

Given everything we know about how Levy has run the club, built it up - made it a very successful business - does that sound remotely like him? Really?

I imagine the policy is simply "We need to get the absolute best we can within our budget". Which, at times, will lead to the aforementioned gamble.

Who has said we need to sign £70m plus players to improve the squad?

Im guessing thats me, though its been taken somewhat out of context

I think it's a bit ridiculous to say we can't improve the squad unless we sign £70m plus players, as people have said only 15 players in the entire history of football have gone for more than that. We haven't won a trophy for what 11 years, of course the squad can be improved.

I'm not saying it's easy to improve as we have a lot of talent players with good characters but players like Fred, Jorginho, Fabinho, Lemar, Nainggolan, Lenglet, Ruiz, Maddison, Amadou,Diallo, Kondogbia, Delaney etc have all moved this summer and would have got into our squad.

I'm sure that there's other players around who are obtainable, obviously no one can say for certain but there's Lookman, Bailey etc who were mentioned in the Zaha thread as alternatives to him for example who would likely be cheaper.

Of course we can improve the squad on a budget. No-one has said we cant.

The nearest I have said to that is we cannot build a transfer policy around unearthing gems any more. They are too few and far between to be a regular and viable policy.

The team is of a level where we need to buy more established or certain quality (Ie, Moura and Sanchez).

Moura was a steal, if we were buying him now he would likely cost double. A brilliant piece of business and Id never advise against these sort of moves.

But then look at Sanchez - right now he looks like money well spent, but last summer he was huge money for what he was.

And thats kind of what I mean. The team is that good, it takes spending on more "sure things" to actually improve/compliment it.

The £70m figure was in relation to Zaha - the point being we need to be spending at those kind of levels to get players to make the immediate contribution we need.

Yes, I know, there havent been many gone for more than that - but be honest - do you expect that to continue?

£40m is the new £20, £50m the new £30m. While to you or I £70m is horrific money, in todays money its like £45m from a couple of years ago.

At no point did I say anything like a player under that cost cant improve us, or anything like it. Only that we are in a position where by itll take spending significantly to really add to the team now (for the most part).

As an exercise, think about the market today, and think about what our players would bring. It might help with perspective on what I mean.


Yeah, gets a bit grating when people say "we can't improve our squad easily" or "name someone who will improve the squad" etc. It's not our job to name players, that's what our scouts are paid for. Some people act like there are only 7 players in the world who can improve us, but we can only afford two of them. I'm not saying it's easy to find the next Modric or Bale but there are always players out there waiting to be discovered.

Some signings will fail that's just life but to simply do nothing as we have done (so far) is farcical as Billyiddo said.

We cant improve our squad that easily. We are in a very tough position. The level of player we need is also hunted by clubs vastly richer than us. Even cheaper players will go elsewhere for huge wages. Thats the reality.

No one has said there arent players to be found, only that its far from as simple as "Well I dont know of any, but they MUST be out there so why arent we getting them!?"
 
That's why we signed Moura. He's just been forgotten about because he's no longer shiny and new

Moura is pace down our right side. Plus he is there because Lamela has fitness issues and Sissoko is not good enough

Zaha is different. He will give us pace and trickery from the left. Yes we have Son but there is nothing wrong with having another option. We need more rotation to keep players fresh and firing on all cylinders for the whole season. The attackers have to work hard under the Poch press
 
Moura is pace down our right side. Plus he is there because Lamela has fitness issues and Sissoko is not good enough

Zaha is different. He will give us pace and trickery from the left. Yes we have Son but there is nothing wrong with having another option. We need more rotation to keep players fresh and firing on all cylinders for the whole season. The attackers have to work hard under the Poch press

I'm ok with Zaha but I start to get a little nervous when I read £70m........£50m OK
 
Son, Eriksen and Alli start. Moura and Lamela are the two AM subs. Zaha is 6th in that pecking order, taking Sissoko's minutes
As has been mentioned umpteen times Zaha allows for different options including Eriksen
Dropping deeper, he doesn’t have to play AM. Dele could do with being rotated more, as for Lamela are you kidding the guy is barely ever fit and Zaha has done way more than him. On top of that if you think we are going to spend 70m on a guy who won’t get in the squad you need your head tested...
 
I'm ok with Zaha but I start to get a little nervous when I read £70m........£50m OK

Tbh I find transfer fees these days simply immoral.....I know the sport is awash with TV and sponsorship money and I understand that players will get higher salaries as a result, thats fair enough, but when I see these huge transfer fees being exchanged between clubs so easily and without a second thought I just find it disgusting.

50 mill, 70 mill, 120 mill etc just think what good that money could do in other circumstances. What is worse is that all lot of these big money transfers involve just decent players , not world class
 
Tbh I find transfer fees these days simply immoral.....I know the sport is awash with TV and sponsorship money and I understand that players will get higher salaries as a result, thats fair enough, but when I see these huge transfer fees being exchanged between clubs so easily and without a second thought I just find it disgusting.

50 mill, 70 mill, 120 mill etc just think what good that money could do in other circumstances. What is worse is that all lot of these big money transfers involve just decent players , not world class

And nothing changes, does it?

If we sell Kane for £200m, a few years ago that would have got us 5 or 6 top class players - now? We will buy 2 or maybe 3 and none will replace him.

ALL prices have come up, as you say. Its all still relative, but just silly money.
 
BREAKING NEWS

Everton have signed defender Lucas Digne from Barcelona on a five-year deal

French left-back Digne signs for £18m with add-ons, rising to £20m.


So they arent interested in Rose after all...
 
The money isn't going to last either. The last tv deal was down and BT are making noises about pulling out next time
 
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