Danishfurniturelover
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http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/dec/11/student-loans-may-never-be-repaid
cu.nts the lot of them
cu.nts the lot of them
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El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
It's the economy that's a ****, insufficient employment for people coming out of University.
Graduates are also left without experience, thanks to a general lack of sandwich courses, and internships, and so lack the vital experience required to be successful in landing appropriate employment.
So a combination of those factors leaves students entering employment at lower levels and struggling to get their career back on track from there. Students are then not qualifying to pay back student loans.
Maybe we need tougher criteria regarding the qualifications needed for kids to be eligible for a place at University. Get the top level of kids through, not those who are merely undertaking the expected path but lack real aspiration or focus. Plus, investment should be made in more opportunities for sandwich years on courses & internships, so that when they graduate, they'll be more prepared for going straight in to employment, and more marketable for it.
Graduates are also left without experience, thanks to a general lack of sandwich courses, and internships, and so lack the vital experience required to be successful in landing appropriate employment.
So a combination of those factors leaves students entering employment at lower levels and struggling to get their career back on track from there. Students are then not qualifying to pay back student loans.
Maybe we need tougher criteria regarding the qualifications needed for kids to be eligible for a place at University. Get the top level of kids through, not those who are merely undertaking the expected path but lack real aspiration or focus. Plus, investment should be made in more opportunities for sandwich years on courses & internships, so that when they graduate, they'll be more prepared for going straight in to employment, and more marketable for it.
Mulletperm
Mauricio Taricco
An ex girlfriend of mine was a mature student at Kings College in London and I absolutely hated going out with her and her mates.
Every one of them was a bloody loafer. How they could afford to knock back the booze all night, smoke fags and buy gear was beyond me. Because I, as a full time worker, couldn't keep up with the way they spent it.
Every one of them was a bloody loafer. How they could afford to knock back the booze all night, smoke fags and buy gear was beyond me. Because I, as a full time worker, couldn't keep up with the way they spent it.
inkpenspur
Allan Nielsen
My brother was interviewing some graduates for positions at his company in the City. He was telling me how shocked he was at the general lack of intelligence of many of the candidates. They may have a had a degree on paper, but could not write good english, spell, articulate even simple ideas well, nor answer simple general knowledge questions along the lines of what is the capital of South Korea? And yet they all thought they were bloody brilliant!
We have created a generation of 'graduates' who really would have done better trying to get a job straight from school rather than generating a huge overdraft and a mis-placed sense of self worth from moving onto Uni.
We have created a generation of 'graduates' who really would have done better trying to get a job straight from school rather than generating a huge overdraft and a mis-placed sense of self worth from moving onto Uni.
Unfortunately, that's what happens when arbitrary targets are set by people who don't understand economics.
NuLab insisted that 50% of all kids went to Uni. Rather than that making the 30% difference more intelligent (which it obviously can't), it just made degrees worthless. In the 15 years I've been working, I've seen companies I work for go from advertising graduate jobs, to advertising specific course graduate jobs, to advertising specific course/first class graduate jobs - all looking for the same standard of candidate.
We're now looking to employ someone intelligent and we're seriously considering having to specify that they achieved their degree at a Russell group or better Uni. As an employer you simply can't rely on a degree being a measure of intelligence/application as you once could. We've had graduates applying for jobs who can't spell or punctuate correctly, this is despite their applications being written on a word processor which, I assume, has a built-in spelling/grammar checker.
Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
Of course this largely rabid right wing forum decides to **** off students. Easy targets for the loads of money types. Easy to mock we humanities students with the old 'where is that going to get you.' Well you know what it got me,it got me an education. It allowed me to be exposed to some of the most powerful minds and ideas the world has ever seen. It allowed me a far wider on perspective and understanding on the problems that affect us in the world today. It allowed me to place these problems in it's proper historical context.
So we may we may not fit into your simple consumer model of society. We may not function in the roles that you want us to. You may consider us lazy even though most of us worked our backsides off at school for years,and many work alongside our degrees. You may use the old reactionary trope that everyone was more intelligent in the 50's. You can have all of that. I went to University not to get a job but to get an education. That is what I got. The best money I have ever spent.
Any of you of have a problem with me and my choices in life feel free to have a chat with me at the Lane. Block 22 row 5. Seat 169.
So we may we may not fit into your simple consumer model of society. We may not function in the roles that you want us to. You may consider us lazy even though most of us worked our backsides off at school for years,and many work alongside our degrees. You may use the old reactionary trope that everyone was more intelligent in the 50's. You can have all of that. I went to University not to get a job but to get an education. That is what I got. The best money I have ever spent.
Any of you of have a problem with me and my choices in life feel free to have a chat with me at the Lane. Block 22 row 5. Seat 169.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Well said. It's always the easy targets who cop it from the Atillas on here. Ha, ha. =D>
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
Nail on head. I worked at an (admittedly fairly low level) university for a few years, and some of the 'students' I encountered there would barely have been capable of doing paper rounds.
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Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
I read over 3 books a week on my course,and had to prepare a detailed presentation on some of the most complex and dense works ever written.
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Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
I can honestly say that I knew nobody like this on my course. I did a BA in Philosophy and an MA in History. Everyone worked their backside off. Has it helped me get a job,no of course not. A degree in the humanities is no longer valued in the world of commerce. It has allowed me not to die an idiot though. I am happy enough with that.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
I'm not suggesting otherwise. I am however suggesting that some of the individuals I was referring to probably didn't read three books in the duration of their course.
Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
I am sure there are some free riders,just as there are in the workplace. However students being lazy costs us nothing,where as mismanagement of capital has led to a collapse we are still paying for.
Yet these people still have the gall to lecture us on responsibility.
I agree with that, but I also have an issue with those who study courses like Paxton did and expect it to lead to a job (outside of academia) in the current market.
Paxton; I respect and envy your choices. Philosophy is something I've always wanted to study in a more structured manner, and there's nothing wrong with education for education's sake - in fact it's a wonderful thing.
Strangely, I read Aerospace Engineering and have never done a day's work as an engineer - I went straight from there into IT for years and from that into accounting. But it does go to show the problems with devaluing degrees. I didn't need an IT degree to get a graduate IT job, any degree was enough to show that I was intelligent and could apply myself.
NuLab changed that though, and by devaluing degrees they have wasted your achievement. You have done a difficult and wonderful thing, you've taken a chunk of the best years of your life and used them to further yourself. They have created a situation where that means literally nothing to employers. Don't you think that's wrong?
Students being lazy costs us a lot, as they will never earn enough to pay back the money they have borrowed.
Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
I understand what you are saying. I just think there are better ways by which to judge your education than what employers think of you. I can't stand most employers,hence why I am in the process of starting my own business. To every problem their is a solution,and this is mine. I will never allow myself to be judged by a system that I do not agree with.
Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
Hence why the higher fees in the first place is stupid. However it will never reach the trillions of pounds that the bailing out of capital did.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
I'd actually suggest that the system as it is encourages irresponsibility in this regard among the 'lower tier' of students that some of us here are taking issue with. No one, as far as I can see, has any issue whatever with genuine, hardworking students like Paxton. Or, for that matter (I hope!), myself!
Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
I'd actually suggest that the system as it is encourages irresponsibility in this regard among the 'lower tier' of students that some of us here are taking issue with. No one, as far as I can see, has any issue whatever with genuine, hardworking students like Paxton. Or, for that matter (I hope!), myself!
See I have no problem with lazy people. If you can do something while being lazy good on you. I am no puritan. I am no worshiper of hard work.
I just see no point of someone going to University getting themselves in huge amounts of debt,to study a subject they have no interest in. That for me is the most important thing,a love for the subject. I don't care about intelligence levels,after all education is about improvement. I do however think giving a damm is pretty important.