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***Spurs vs West Ham Untd***, PL, 13th September 2025 at The London Stadium

SteveAWOL said:
At least that judo throw by Fernandes has been highlighted in Sky Sports’ Ref Watch segment, as was the ridiculous chalked off goal on MotD, so the gaffer can plant that seed in the mind of officials for future matches so they might not treat MvdV so badly in future matches.

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That guy and people like him should be on var, not refs protecting their own.
 
glasgowspur said:
That guy and people like him should be on var, not refs protecting their own.
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Exactly this.

Here's an idea. Use the laws of the game and measure the refs on whether they are following them.

In pure terms I doubt they'd score more than 60% over the 90 mins of measured against the laws.
 
I don’t get the “clear and obvious error” benchmark. I assume it means if the ref gave a decision based on what he could see at the time and he didn’t obviously get it wrong, then the decision can stand.
But if VAR checks it and the decision was wrong, regardless of whether clear and obvious or not in real time, then VAR should be able to overrule it on the basis that the officials did not have seen the full picture.
I’ve been a defender/supporter of VAR but it’s becoming increasingly difficult to understand it.
I don’t watch much European football but are there the same problems with implementation there?
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I don’t get the “clear and obvious error” benchmark. I assume it means if the ref gave a decision based on what he could see at the time and he didn’t obviously get it wrong, then the decision can stand.
But if VAR checks it and the decision was wrong, regardless of whether clear and obvious or not in real time, then VAR should be able to overrule it on the basis that the officials did not have seen the full picture.
I’ve been a defender/supporter of VAR but it’s becoming increasingly difficult to understand it.
I don’t watch much European football but are there the same problems with implementation there?
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The clear and obvious determination means VAR can stick with the original on-pitch decision regardless if it is right or wrong based on the laws. They are only looking at whether the ref can be forgiven for getting it wrong.

Unfortunately, the video ref making the call works for the same team as the on-pitch ref and is measured on the same KPI's. Therefore, you see so many decisions staying with the on-pitch decision even though the entire world knows they were wrong based on the laws of the game.

Been saying it for years. The only thing the video ref should be saying to the on pitch ref is what would be the decision based on the laws. That is what all football stakeholders need in the game to restore some sanity.

It is the fox watching over the hen house as my US friends would say.
 
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