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Son Heung-Min

K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
It's not meant to, it's there for all the experts to prattle on about. Fans should not get confused by what you see at a game and wait for the pundits to tell them what happened and more importantly what should have happened.
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Amazes me that so many fans in todays game actually believe XG means anything but just more flimflam.
 
Raziel said:
Understood and potentially I could understand the corner piece (but the 2nd choice breaks that logic), does anyone think pressing a keeper creates a 8/10 chance for a goal, fudge I guarantee you if you put the two of them on the training ground and FF let Amad do the same slide 100 times, not even 50% of those would deflect the same way into net ..

my point, if Amad's chance is 0.8, no way a corner is 0.0
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It's not the slide, it's the position the shot/slide was taken from. xG doesn't take into account the kind of shot just the position of it so I guess statistically speaking and just with our eyes if you shoot that close to goal it's usually going to end up in the back of the net.
 
Bullet said:
Yes. Amad's chance would presumably be calculated as a shot from 7 yards out, right in front of goal, with no defender to beat = huge Xg i.e. nothing to do with the fact he was pressuring a goalie.
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So similar to kulu, who was actually in control, on his feet and with time.
The supposed xg for Kulus goal should have been higher than the xg awarded to us all game.
Not to mention the one that kulu had and the keeper saved but the ref gave a goal kick.
And we scored another three goals.
It makes no sense.
But then it doesn't have to, because thankfully it's a pointless state and if this doesn't prove it nothing will.
 
Kompakted said:
I don't know why anyone even bothers looking at XG. It's become a crux for certain situations....

"F**k we got hammered 4-0 today"
"But we won the XG"
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Considering we have not lost by more than a single goal all season when exactly was this situation?:D

All people say is yeah we might have drawn/lost game but xG shows we created better chances than opposition and on an average day we would have got more etc Nothing deeper than that....
 
I haven't read the book, but I must admit, it's unclear to me how teams could 'use' xG to improve their chances of winning matches, any more than you might improve your chances with rolling dice by understanding the statistics of that. I suppose you can look at what are the 'best' areas to shoot from, but presumably, if particular spots became attractors, with everyone trying to gravitate there to shoot, then defences and goalkeepers would adapt accordingly and the model would get broken. As I say, though, I haven't read any of the book apart from the blurb, so I'm just talking off the top of my head.
 
mudshark said:
I haven't read the book, but I must admit, it's unclear to me how teams could 'use' xG to improve their chances of winning matches, any more than you might improve your chances with rolling dice by understanding the statistics of that. I suppose you can look at what are the 'best' areas to shoot from, but presumably, if particular spots became attractors, with everyone trying to gravitate there to shoot, then defences and goalkeepers would adapt accordingly and the model would get broken. As I say, though, I haven't read any of the book apart from the blurb, so I'm just talking off the top of my head.
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Works both ways.

You can educate your players on making the extra pass, or not shooting from low xG positions.

On the flip side, in certain positions, defensively, give the opposition enough space to take a low percentage shots.

Probably a thousand other things our tactical analysis can pick up on too.
 
Baleforce said:
It’s a track of where attempts on goal are made from.

As a large part of football is to stop your opponents from having attempts on goal, I think that’s pretty useful data.
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Fill yer boots mate, its just another load of gonads stat that seem to get fixated on by fans to make them believe they know what is happening. Whatever turns you on i guess. ;)
 
For xG it's taken from where the player first touches the ball?

So son Vs Burnley a few years ago would be calculated when get gets the ball. Or would it be after his run and just 1 on 1 with the keeper?
 
Chrissivad said:
For xG it's taken from where the player first touches the ball?

So son Vs Burnley a few years ago would be calculated when get gets the ball. Or would it be after his run and just 1 on 1 with the keeper?
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I think most models use
The location of the shot. Whether it is a header or shot. Whether defenders are present.
 
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