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Serge Aurier
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milo
Jack L. Jones
Dele has been dropping deeper these last two games because Sissoko and Dier aren't good enough.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
That may be the case
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
I think much of it has to do with Aurier! Sissoko ends up back there covering leaving Dier to do all the work. How long will we persist with the lost cause that is Aurier?
Aurier only plays as a winger when we have the ball, and yesterday we rarely did! And I think Alli was dropping deeper because we were getting overrun, as Moura and Son weren’t tracking their wing backs. Personally I don’t think it was a proactive choice, think it was just a consequence of struggling to deal with Chelsea’s shape.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Is he even trying? A break from the packed fixture list, a week to work on things. Judging the flight of the ball wrong I can understand, doesn't really happen to our classy defenders, but it happens once in a while to those not at the top level, heat of the moment stuff. Switching off when defending a corner though, fairly early in the game, just not paying attention, having others shouting at him to get out to a wide open Willian. What is that?
milo
Jack L. Jones
I agree that it is an issue. It is the reason why I was advocating Sissoko for Moura before the game and at half time. At least then it would be his job to cover Aurier and we wouldn't be so exposed in CM.
In fairness, against Chelsea I think Sissoko had to cover there because Moura wasn’t tracking back and Aurier was constantly outnumbered by their wing back and wide midfielder. That one’s on Mourinho (though fair enough not to expect a back 3 from Chelsea!)
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
I guess it is a limitation of Mourinho's plastered together system. Our passing is also a key concern. We gave up control, ceded momentum to them because we couldn't pass the ball through midfield. They were in poor form, but worked very hard. We needed to dig deep in those opening 15 and keep trying to control the game and push them back. We didn't and let them take control. Mourinho was fire-fighting and possibly asked Alli and Aurier to drop back to try and regain control. But the issue was chelsea closing us down and us not being able to pass through it.
Jurgen the German
Willie Hall
Yesterday was almost the quintessential Serge Aurier game. Switched off at key moments, lack of effort and lazy defending. Just need a senseless red card to cap it off.
He has some good qualities but he complete negates every good thing he does with his lack of concentration and effort.
He has some good qualities but he complete negates every good thing he does with his lack of concentration and effort.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I'd want Foyth to start personally. I know Aurier is there for his attacking talent, but he's nowhere near effective enough going forward to make up for his defensive shortcomings. Foyth is very good on the ball and even if we won't see many marauding runs he will give us quality to build from the back and support to the wide attacker. Might also give us the chance to add more creativity in midfield instead of having players there to cover for Aurier.
More importantly there's a future for Foyth at the club where I struggle to see one for Aurier. Would hate to see us suffer through Aurier for an extended period of time only for him to leave and Foyth being left unhappy and not developing. True lose lose situation. Unless Mourinho sees us going into next season with Aurier as a starter and much improved. I don't see it, but I could be wrong.
If we're going to continue playing Aurier I don't understand why it's not Sissoko ahead of him in bigger games, that actually seemed to be working rather well when tried.
milo
Jack L. Jones
My thinking too. The only obvious argument I can see against it is that we might sit back a bit too much if he is on one side and Verts on the other but Verts has shown that he can be a good attacking fullback in the past.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Give Foyth the instruction to get forward and he has a lot of quality on the ball even though he doesn't have blistering pace. Whatever we lose from Aurier not being there we can compensate for in midfield.
It's not like Aurier is a great attacking full back. I'd be all for some attacking maverick full back if he was great going forward, I like me some naive attacking craziness. He's nowhere near that level though.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Not sure we're desperate at left back. Vertonghen is filling in rather well, Davies is competent and we have Sessegnon who could be developed in that role.
Unless Foyth is trusted by Mourinho going forward and proves himself competent or better we're desperate at right back though.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
Moura is also part of the problem. I don’t think he is very smart?
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
I would never play him again and do everything in my power to get him out of the club in January, preferably in the first week.
milo
Jack L. Jones
He doesn't play with his head up. He can be an excellent individual player on his day but his team contribution is minimal. In an ideal world, he's an option off the bench.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
I agree
This is a guy with so much history of stupidity it’s scary
Yet I swear he gets a free pass from a lot of fans
My mate I go with rates him and I had to talk him through the minutia Of his errors yesterday just to highlight how poor he is
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
So many of our issues begin with him.