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Savinho

Benny_Lad said:
Also, I’m sure it’s been covered on here but outside of his standout season at Girona (9 in 37) he’s managed 4 goals in about 4000 minutes. Granted, he has a good assist record at Girona and City but that is very low numbers for goals.
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I am also concerned about Savinho's output. I'm unsure if he is the real deal or not. We need forwards that score and assist a LOT. We already have "good" but for this kind of money we need a big step up.

I worry we could do a Cheatski, who signed a LOT of crap to find some gems e.g.
Rogers
Garnacho
Estevao
Neto
Kendry Paez
Felix
Sancho
Nkunku
Palmer
Mudryk
Sterling
Madueke
Kenedy
IF they had put all of that transfer money and wages money and time and effort into 2 or 3 star players, they would be better off.
 
Bullet said:
I am also concerned about Savinho's output. I'm unsure if he is the real deal or not. We need forwards that score and assist a LOT. We already have "good" but for this kind of money we need a big step up.

I worry we are becoming Cheatski, who signed a LOT of crap to find some gems e.g.
Rogers
Garnacho
Estevao
Neto
Kendry Paez
Felix
Sancho
Nkunku
Palmer
Mudryk
Sterling
Madueke
Kenedy
IF they had put all of that transfer money and wages money and time and effort into 2 or 3 star players, they would be better off.
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He is not great at all and it concerns me we are signing someone on such money based on so little. The FIFA/FM nerds aside, I don't know anyone who is really impressed
 
Bullet said:
I am also concerned about Savinho's output. I'm unsure if he is the real deal or not. We need forwards that score and assist a LOT. We already have "good" but for this kind of money we need a big step up.

I worry we could do a Cheatski, who signed a LOT of crap to find some gems e.g.
Rogers
Garnacho
Estevao
Neto
Kendry Paez
Felix
Sancho
Nkunku
Palmer
Mudryk
Sterling
Madueke
Kenedy
IF they had put all of that transfer money and wages money and time and effort into 2 or 3 star players, they would be better off.
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Rogers was signed for a British record transfer fee.
 
Bullet said:
I am also concerned about Savinho's output. I'm unsure if he is the real deal or not. We need forwards that score and assist a LOT. We already have "good" but for this kind of money we need a big step up.
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MartyFunkhouser said:
He is not great at all and it concerns me we are signing someone on such money based on so little. The FIFA/FM nerds aside, I don't know anyone who is really impressed
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robp135 said:
I dont really see the difference between him and Odobert who I don't really rare at all.
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The data does tell you exactly why we are looking at Savinho

He's pretty much elite at possession, he progresses the ball at a very good level as well, weakness is attack/goal contribution. Data below would say he's pretty much better than Gordon at almost everything, and look at the price he went for.
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Raziel said:
The data does tell you exactly why we are looking at Savinho

He's pretty much elite at possession, he progresses the ball at a very good level as well, weakness is attack/goal contribution. Data below would say he's pretty much better than Gordon at almost everything, and look at the price he went for.
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Savinho played for Pep Guardiola. His minutes were primarily in the domestic cups against lower league opponents or on the last 20 minutes of Prem/UCL games where they had a lead and kept the ball.

Gordon played for Eddie Howe and was mostly used as a Centre Forward last season.

If avalible for the same price and wages nobody would pick Savinho over Gordon. Even if you do take the data seriously, he ranked lowest in attack which is what should be most important here as our team lacks goals.
 
robp135 said:
Savinho played for Pep Guardiola. His minutes were primarily in the domestic cups against lower league opponents or on the last 20 minutes of Prem/UCL games where they had a lead and kept the ball.

Gordon played for Eddie Howe and was mostly used as a Centre Forward last season.

If avalible for the same price and wages nobody would pick Savinho over Gordon. Even if you do take the data seriously, he ranked lowest in attack which is what should be most important here as our team lacks goals.
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Not defending him, there was a lot of "what does he do", I gave an answer, technical player, doesn't lose possession, progresses ball (characteristics of almost all the players we have bought this summer), he has shown he can provide assists. Hard to really judge certain roles under Pep, I suspect Savinho has been stifled the same way Grealish was.

Obviously there is a concern around goal output as a team, I'd assume the one or two other hinted signings have a focus there.

Gordon for me is just Gallagher out wide
 
Raziel said:
The data does tell you exactly why we are looking at Savinho

He's pretty much elite at possession, he progresses the ball at a very good level as well, weakness is attack/goal contribution. Data below would say he's pretty much better than Gordon at almost everything, and look at the price he went for.
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I would take Gordon before Savinho every single day of the week. Other than on excel they cant be compared
 
Raziel said:
Not defending him, there was a lot of "what does he do", I gave an answer, technical player, doesn't lose possession, progresses ball (characteristics of almost all the players we have bought this summer), he has shown he can provide assists. Hard to really judge certain roles under Pep, I suspect Savinho has been stifled the same way Grealish was.

Obviously there is a concern around goal output as a team, I'd assume the one or two other hinted signings have a focus there.

Gordon for me is just Gallagher out wide
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I mean you made some sense until the end lol
 
I suspect the hold up with Savinho is that he isn't our top target. I think we might end up taking him if the fee isn't too high and we don't get our top targets in.

I suspect that Emirates Marketing Project think they can screw £70m out of us seeing as we offered about that late in last summer's transfer window and we've also gone out and paid very big money for two midfielders. We're probably keeping him warm, hoping we can nab him for about £50m if we don't end up with our top target/targets.

My guess is that our top target is Gakpo (De Zerbi has spoken about wanting more height in the team) and we're waiting for Liverpool to sign a left winger before they will sell him to us. Personally I think Gakpo is significantly better than Savinho, and certainly more proven in the PL.

I can't help but wonder whether our other target is Rashford. I think De Zerbi would think he could perhaps play him through the middle as well as from the left.
 
robp135 said:
We don’t even know if that’s where RDZ wants to play him tbh. Frank viewed him as a Left Winger and he is the complete opposite to RDZ. There is no history of RDZ using wingers on their natural side either.
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RDZ has commented today that the wingers he goes for will depend on the full backs that we have. He has said that whether you want a winger to go on the outside or come inside depends on what the full back tends to do. I don't think RDZ is particularly wedded to one system (which is one of the reasons I think he is an excellent manager). I think he picks the best formation and way to play depending on what he has available to him (really refreshing after Frank)
 
Finney Is Back said:
I can't help but wonder whether our other target is Rashford. I think De Zerbi would think he could perhaps play him through the middle as well as from the left.
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Rashford would be high on my list, I like what he did last year at Barce, he looked like a genuine star turn again like he was originally at United
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Rashford would be high on my list, I like what he did last year at Barce, he looked like a genuine star turn again like he was originally at United
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I could also see him having a bit of a later career revival like Wellbeck has at Brighton if played through the middle (I know there are several years difference between them)
 
robp135 said:
Issue with Rashford is he is either George Weah or George Weahs cousin from game to game.
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I take that, there are not too mamy players who's form doesnt do that. I take the 25 G/A

Generally not a fan of complications but his last season was hugely impressive

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