Lemonade Money
Les Medley
It's not standing per se we need to fear, it's prolonged standing. *shudders*
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Safe Standing at Football Matches
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Lemonade Money
Les Medley
Be alert brothers, if you see someone standing for too long, do your duty.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
unless they are standing in a picket line of course
Whiffler
Jermaine Jenas
.... or in Church.
As the song goes "stand , stand up for Jesus ..."
You rarely hear "Sit down, sit down for Christ's sake ..."
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
STAND UP FOR JESUS!
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger does not believe English football has a "hooligan problem" and has called for a return to safe standing at stadiums.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37799225
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37799225
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
As long as incidents we have seen at The London Stadium continue standing will be banned. Obviously there are problems in the seating areas and these could have been handled better. I personally do not want to stand but I have some sympathy for the vast majority of sensible people who do want to stand, but I fear for the safety of fans in certain circumstances.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
You are right, it certainly gives arguments to maintain the status quo for those who are against safe standing.
However crowd trouble inside grounds is now much rarer (leaving aside the Olympic Stadium for the moment) so that is becoming much less of a valid argument these days. Getting the legislation changed is the first - and biggest - step/challenge. That simply provides the framework under which safe-standing can happen, in principle. Clubs actually securing licences to have safe-standing areas is another matter and that would be decided on a case-by-case basis I would have thought, based on a number of factors, one of which might be recent history of crowd violence.
In terms of getting the legislation changed, every voice that comes out in favour is welcome, as far as I am concerned (even if they are from Woolwich!).
Why would allocated standing be any different to allocated Seating - that area of the stadium would all be standing throughout any way. Also it appears that people sitting in other areas moved to there without tickets - using last night as an argument is just an excuse but you are right they probably will use it.
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
Well they won't have a chair to throw for starters.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
Looks like the government will continue to ignore the wishes of fans and clubs
...the Government remain unmoved and in their Sporting Future report the DCMS offered no support for a wider introduction of safe standing.
The report said: “Since a rail seating section was installed at Celtic Park, there has been growing speculation that such accommodation could be introduced into Premier League and Championship football grounds.
“Government remains unconvinced by the case put forward for re-introducing standing accommodation at football grounds covered by the all-seater requirement, but will continue to monitor how it is working at Celtic.”
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-call-for-premier-league-trials-a3462896.html
...the Government remain unmoved and in their Sporting Future report the DCMS offered no support for a wider introduction of safe standing.
The report said: “Since a rail seating section was installed at Celtic Park, there has been growing speculation that such accommodation could be introduced into Premier League and Championship football grounds.
“Government remains unconvinced by the case put forward for re-introducing standing accommodation at football grounds covered by the all-seater requirement, but will continue to monitor how it is working at Celtic.”
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-call-for-premier-league-trials-a3462896.html
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
Unsafe standing it is then.
jts1882
Dean Richards
I can see why the government takes this approach. If they try and change things they will get criticism about showing disrespect to the Hillsbough victims etc. Why stick their necks out. I also doubt the clubs seriously want safe standing. It will cost money to convert without substantial increased income. Instead they will only get pressure from fans wanting old-style prices. The clubs say they want it to appease fans, but I think they are happy the way it is.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
I agree, it's in nobody's interest except the fans that want it.
That lot clearly don't vote anyway. Nothing to lose.
The Premier League has written to its 20 clubs asking if they would be interested in taking part in a trial to reintroduce standing sections in their grounds.
The question is part of a wider survey on the issue of safe standing and it follows an earlier commitment to conduct a fact-finding exercise on the matter.
In a statement, a Premier League spokesman said: “Last November clubs tasked the Premier League with scoping out the safety, supporter, technical and legislative issues surrounding permitted standing before further discussions, based on facts, take place. This survey is part of that process.”
The pilot scheme question is undoubtedly the most interesting but it is also hypothetical, as the government remains opposed to the idea and many senior police officers are still unsure about the safety implications of allowing football fans to stand during games.
A Department of Culture, Media and Sport spokesperson said: “The government currently has no plans to change its position and introduce standing accommodation at grounds covered by the all-seater requirement.”
Clubs in England’s top two divisions have been legally required to have all-seater grounds since the measure was recommended by the 1990 Taylor Report into the Hillsborough disaster.
For more than a decade there was little interest in revisiting that move but, over the last few years, there have been growing calls for a rethink from campaigners, fans groups and, more recently, some clubs.
They have pointed out the inconsistencies in the policy – it only applies to the top two tiers in England, rugby fans can stand, as can fans at concerts at football grounds and away fans at many grounds are effectively allowed to stand by stewards – and highlighted the rail-seat system popular in Germany.
The latter point has taken on more significance after Celtic installed 2,600 rail seats – seats that can be flipped down or locked into an upright position, with safety barriers separating each row – at Parkhead last season.
This experiment is considered to have been a major success in terms of atmosphere, choice and safety, and several Premier League clubs have been to Glasgow to see it in action.
Officially, the Premier League’s stance has always been neutral, saying it will follow its clubs on the issue, although it is widely known league boss Richard Scudamore is very reluctant to reopen the matter.
But more clubs have been raising the issue and it is a topic that has come up in all three of the “structural dialogues” the league has held with supporters’ representatives over the last two seasons.
There are two significant obstacles to any return to standing sections at Premier League level, though.
The first is the issue of whether it would need a change in legislation or not, and there is some disagreement on that. Amending the existing law without support from the police and the government department in charge of sport would be difficult.
The second hurdle is Merseyside, where feelings on safety at football matches run high for entirely understandable reasons. Everton has traditionally supported Liverpool’s stance on the issue but even here public opinion is starting to shift.
Prominent figures such as new Liverpool mayor Steve Rotheram and the Hillsborough Family Support Group are against a return to standing at football grounds.
But the Hillsborough Justice Campaign is open to a debate on the matter and the club’s biggest independent fans group, the Spirit of Shankly, is planning to vote on the issue this summer.
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/premier-league-clubs-consulted-on-safe-standing-pilots
The question is part of a wider survey on the issue of safe standing and it follows an earlier commitment to conduct a fact-finding exercise on the matter.
In a statement, a Premier League spokesman said: “Last November clubs tasked the Premier League with scoping out the safety, supporter, technical and legislative issues surrounding permitted standing before further discussions, based on facts, take place. This survey is part of that process.”
The pilot scheme question is undoubtedly the most interesting but it is also hypothetical, as the government remains opposed to the idea and many senior police officers are still unsure about the safety implications of allowing football fans to stand during games.
A Department of Culture, Media and Sport spokesperson said: “The government currently has no plans to change its position and introduce standing accommodation at grounds covered by the all-seater requirement.”
Clubs in England’s top two divisions have been legally required to have all-seater grounds since the measure was recommended by the 1990 Taylor Report into the Hillsborough disaster.
For more than a decade there was little interest in revisiting that move but, over the last few years, there have been growing calls for a rethink from campaigners, fans groups and, more recently, some clubs.
They have pointed out the inconsistencies in the policy – it only applies to the top two tiers in England, rugby fans can stand, as can fans at concerts at football grounds and away fans at many grounds are effectively allowed to stand by stewards – and highlighted the rail-seat system popular in Germany.
The latter point has taken on more significance after Celtic installed 2,600 rail seats – seats that can be flipped down or locked into an upright position, with safety barriers separating each row – at Parkhead last season.
This experiment is considered to have been a major success in terms of atmosphere, choice and safety, and several Premier League clubs have been to Glasgow to see it in action.
Officially, the Premier League’s stance has always been neutral, saying it will follow its clubs on the issue, although it is widely known league boss Richard Scudamore is very reluctant to reopen the matter.
But more clubs have been raising the issue and it is a topic that has come up in all three of the “structural dialogues” the league has held with supporters’ representatives over the last two seasons.
There are two significant obstacles to any return to standing sections at Premier League level, though.
The first is the issue of whether it would need a change in legislation or not, and there is some disagreement on that. Amending the existing law without support from the police and the government department in charge of sport would be difficult.
The second hurdle is Merseyside, where feelings on safety at football matches run high for entirely understandable reasons. Everton has traditionally supported Liverpool’s stance on the issue but even here public opinion is starting to shift.
Prominent figures such as new Liverpool mayor Steve Rotheram and the Hillsborough Family Support Group are against a return to standing at football grounds.
But the Hillsborough Justice Campaign is open to a debate on the matter and the club’s biggest independent fans group, the Spirit of Shankly, is planning to vote on the issue this summer.
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/premier-league-clubs-consulted-on-safe-standing-pilots
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