I'm a couple drinks short of getting carried away
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Ryan Mason
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I'm a couple drinks short of getting carried away
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Our two greatest ever managers - Nicholson and Burkinshaw, both stepped up from assistant/reserves
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
the game was completely different then
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Not really. The club werent going to give Burky the gig because he wasnt a name. But the player committee said they enjoyed his training and ask the chairman to give him a go
Mason is just Kompany, Carrick or Slot, but with a bit more elite league experience
Yiddo
Jack Jull
The difference being, Kompany and Carrick were involved in title winning teams, they were in dressing rooms with serial winners.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Most top managers were mediocre/lower league players. Top players find it hard to develop those who dont find the game as easy as they did
Bishop
John Lacy
They've all now actually managed a side for a season. There is some sort of record to look at and analyse. Mason would be a massive gamble. He'd have to really impress in these 10 games to be given the chance long term.
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El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
I believe he will be a highly successful manager in future. He’s worked with top coaches and likely learned from Poch, Mourinho and Conte, and whilst I didn’t like the latter two, Mason likely has developed from this and comes across well in interviews and had us playing better tonight. I do think he needs more experience. So the question is where does he go from the end of this season?
I think he owes it to himself to find a permanent managerial role where he can be the main man for at least a season, further learn in the role and continue to develop his skills. In future perhaps and hopefully he will do enough to then return back to us as our permanent manager when the time arises. But I’m not sure that the time is now. Give it a couple of seasons or so.
I think he owes it to himself to find a permanent managerial role where he can be the main man for at least a season, further learn in the role and continue to develop his skills. In future perhaps and hopefully he will do enough to then return back to us as our permanent manager when the time arises. But I’m not sure that the time is now. Give it a couple of seasons or so.
Interesting question
- He's obviously getting a good learning experience with the club, under a range of managers
- He will probably need to get some real experience before he would get the gig with us.
Question is does he go next season or spend another couple of years with us learning more?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Mason - 8 games at tier 1
(plus 85 games as assistant, tier 1)
Kompany - 51 games at tier 2 + 95 games at tier 3
Carrick - 29 games at tier 2
(plus 192 games as assistant, tier 1)
Slot - 155 games at tier 3
(plus 85 games as assistant, tier 1)
Kompany - 51 games at tier 2 + 95 games at tier 3
Carrick - 29 games at tier 2
(plus 192 games as assistant, tier 1)
Slot - 155 games at tier 3
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Honestly, at this stage I think he needs that first hand managerial experience rather than learning from other managers. There will be lessons that he can learn only from those first hand experiences and so he will need to be in the managerial position to have those.
I think it’s important that he finds the right club, who that is, I don’t know. Crystal Palace would be an interesting one I think, but I think they’re likely looking for a more experienced manager to follow on as a permanent successor to Vieira.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
10 games?
Agree with people's points about the risk and Carrick and Kompany. They might end up not cutting at the top level either.
Let's see what Mason does the next five games. Not results, but decisions and management.
He's been around the club a long time. He's gained good insight from top class managers - serial winners.
I think we are in an interesting transition period for managers, with coaching badges, technical ability and big data driving things - not just at the top level.
Much like Nagelsman with a good DoF, Mason with a good DoF could be good too, assuming he has the talent. He did well before. The club will have a good idea about his knowledge and technical tactical abilities etc.
It's easy to forget Nagelsmans first job was straight from the youth team to the Bundesliga with Hoffenheim. He was 28.
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demotw
Nicola Berti
Carrick tier 2?? He was caretaker at Utd for a bit, similar to Mason. Slot is also in the top tier of Dutch football, hardly tier 3. Each one of those as well have built teams, something Mason has yet to prove.
this another gutter special? In other words more unrealistic completely biased drivel.
I think Mason has a bright future, but he needs some experience of moulding a team in his image before he is ready for a top tier gig
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
The Juplier Lge and the Eredivisie as tier 3?! Don't be ridiculous.
They are at least on par with the championship and at the top end are mid table prem level.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
Currently managing Middlesbrough. And rather well.
demotw
Nicola Berti
Yea agreed, I just meant if he is counting masons caretaker games as tier 1, can’t ignore Carricks at United
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
How is that typical of Levy? When has it happened before?
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I was kind of going:
Tier 1 - EPL, Spain, Germany, Spain
Tier 2 - France, Portugal, Championship
Tier 3 - Holland, Belgium, Turkey, Switzerland, Scotland, League 1
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
It will all end in tiers.