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Ryan Mason

milo said:
You need to take into account AVB's unwillingness to blood homegrown youngsters.
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Yes. And Redknapp's before that.

It's a different world now for Winks, Onomah, 2CV and Edwards, compared to the 'go on a dozen loans first' battles for the famous class of 2009 (Rose, Caulker, Adam Smith, Townsend and Mason)
 
Gutter Boy said:
You think we should send Winks or Edwards to Grimsby Town this season to toughen them up? Because you can only assumes that was the mentality back then.
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No, I believe that if better teams had enquired about Mason's services then we would have loaned them out to those clubs. I highly doubt we would have turned down a loan offer from QPR or Cardiff and decided to send him to a worse team. Ever crossed your mind that we loaned him to Grimsby and the like because no one better were interested?
 
Gutter Boy said:
You think we should send Winks or Edwards to Grimsby Town this season to toughen them up? Because you can only assumes that was the mentality back then.
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It did enable us to keep more kids with promise on our books whilst monitoring their progress in a truly competitive environment.

A fair number came back and either established themselves in the first team or found their way into the first team squad: Rose, Mason, Kane, Carroll to name a few, whilst others eventually found their true level in the Championship or wherever - often for a tidy fee thank you very much.
 
Why does any of this matter now?

Look at some of the best players from last season; Mahrez, Kante, Vardy, Payet etc, they weren't exactly making headlines in their early 20s either. Judge Mason on the player he is now, where he was five years ago has no bearing on him as a player today.
 
Jurgen the German said:
No, I believe that if better teams had enquired about Mason's services then we would have loaned them out to those clubs. I highly doubt we would have turned down a loan offer from QPR or Cardiff and decided to send him to a worse team. Ever crossed your mind that we loaned him to Grimsby and the like because no one better were interested?
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I meant more because he was a small flair player. Dominic Ball obviously did very well in a brutal agricultural league like Scotland, whereas it clearly wasn't the best place for Oduwa, even though Wabberton is a progressive manager (which was presumably the intention)

Sometimes it's better just to keep those players at home training with cultured players, like we've done with Winks and Onomah.
 
Yoof said:
Why does any of this matter now?

Look at some of the best players from last season; Mahrez, Kante, Vardy, Payet etc, they weren't exactly making headlines in their early 20s either. Judge Mason on the player he is now, where he was five years ago has no bearing on him as a player today.
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I don't get that either

Was Defoe brick because he played at Bournmouth, was Beckham crap because he was at Preston...
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I don't get that either

Was Defoe brick because he played at Bournmouth, was Beckham crap because he was at Preston...
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No but they were established Premier League stars by the team they were 25.

Eriksen was always good, but then again he came through at a lower level i.e. Ajax, he never reached the heights of playing for Bristol City.
 
So, one of you is trying to come up with arguments to prove that Mason is one of the worst players to pull on the Spurs shirt and the other one is trying to make the next George Best out of him. Well... I personally can't see how it matters how old Mason is - not every player is 16 or 17 when breaking into the first team. Some of the arguments seem to indicate that 25 is some sort of a twilight age... Two more years of football and then retirement? Come on. The only pretty certain thing is that Pochettino seems to rate Mason, so probably he is seeing something the armchair managers are not.
 
elltrev said:
I know Mason player no.10 as a youth player, but from what I've seen in the first team I just don't see him succeeding as a no.10. To me he clearly doesn't have the tools suited to that position. To me his biggest strength is his passing from deep, whereas some of his bigger weaknesses are finishing, playing with his back to goal and playing without much time on the ball - all key attributes needed for a no.10.
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Total rubbish. Number 10 is his strength and where he wants to play. Unfortunately for him - Eriksen.
 
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