Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Hopefully you are right.
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Ryan Mason
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Hopefully you are right.
milo
Jack L. Jones
You don't get to choose how many you concede.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Yeah I realise that, but is it beyond reason to maybe adjust the way the team plays slightly? You know, to make us a bit less defensively vulnerable?
milo
Jack L. Jones
But why would you if you have decided that is the most effective use of the players at your disposal?
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Because it's risky being so open with not much protection given to the back four.
milo
Jack L. Jones
And I think that the improvement in our attacking game from having two ball players in central midfield meant that he was prepared to accept that risk
Bullet
Andy Thompson
Who are the 2 deeper midfielders at other teams? Goalscorers underlined.
Utd - Schneiderlin and Carrick
Ars - Ramsey and Coquelin
City - Toure and Fernandinho
Cheats - Fabregas and Matic
Liv - Henderson and Milner
Soton - Davis and Wanyama
New - Anita and Colback
Eve - McCarthy and Barry
Utd - Schneiderlin and Carrick
Ars - Ramsey and Coquelin
City - Toure and Fernandinho
Cheats - Fabregas and Matic
Liv - Henderson and Milner
Soton - Davis and Wanyama
New - Anita and Colback
Eve - McCarthy and Barry
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Unless we sign a new player I would hope we give Dier more games to settle and see how he adapts yes.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Would agree I keep hearing about all the goals we score but our problem is we let far too many in and we need to sort that out.
milo
Jack L. Jones
A theoretical question here @parklane1 but please humour me.
If in plugging the holes at the back, we cut the supply to the front, what would you do?
parklane1
Tony Galvin
We will not know that it will until we try it, so with all respect its a pretty silly question. There is always the thought that if we stopped so many goals from flying in we would not have to score so many
but like the question my answer is pretty silly as well, with respect.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Milo, forgive me for butting in, but are you suggesting that conceding so many goals is just a by product of our attacking play and that we should not look to improve upon it?
Bullet
Andy Thompson
Hmm, well that didn't inspire the debate I was hoping!
My point was that some people think 'Mason and Bentaleb' is not good enough, so it is worth looking at what other teams have... I suppose it shows the enormous gulf between the top 4 and the rest.
milo
Jack L. Jones
We will not know that it will until we try it, so with all respect its a pretty silly question. There is always the thought that if we stopped so many goals from flying in we would not have to score so many
Shame you couldn't humour me
because I think that is the decision Poch mulled over last season
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
We won a lot of games last year by the odd goal late on IIRC
A big driver in scoring these late goals was the midfields fitness and attacking efforts plus of course having Kane, Eriksen and Chadli score them
The best we played last season (and I sound like a broken record) was when our attacking players actually worked as a unit. They defended and harassed as well as created and scored
When one of them didn't do his job we were exposed and that exposure highlighted the problem with having tow more attacking than defensive minded central midfielders
There were numerous times where Chadlis player would leave him up the pitch and the we were outnumbered in a key area. Maselab would go over to support Rose and leave a gap behind and a Palmer would run on from it
What didn't happen though was that we conceded from that. We obviously conceded some goals but most were from wider positions iirc not through the middle
It helps the opposition if they know that they can attack us without any danger of a defensive effort from our attacking counter part and they can still get back in position ... Hell its a major confidence boost before the game
But when they do work we play our best football (invariably with dembele in at the 10 role) as we don't concede the ball cheaply in their half, allowing a counter which is exactly what we did on Saturday. Our out ball needs to be ore than just Kane and we need palmers who can hold the ball up and not lose it cheaply allowing other players to get in better positions
A big driver in scoring these late goals was the midfields fitness and attacking efforts plus of course having Kane, Eriksen and Chadli score them
The best we played last season (and I sound like a broken record) was when our attacking players actually worked as a unit. They defended and harassed as well as created and scored
When one of them didn't do his job we were exposed and that exposure highlighted the problem with having tow more attacking than defensive minded central midfielders
There were numerous times where Chadlis player would leave him up the pitch and the we were outnumbered in a key area. Maselab would go over to support Rose and leave a gap behind and a Palmer would run on from it
What didn't happen though was that we conceded from that. We obviously conceded some goals but most were from wider positions iirc not through the middle
It helps the opposition if they know that they can attack us without any danger of a defensive effort from our attacking counter part and they can still get back in position ... Hell its a major confidence boost before the game
But when they do work we play our best football (invariably with dembele in at the 10 role) as we don't concede the ball cheaply in their half, allowing a counter which is exactly what we did on Saturday. Our out ball needs to be ore than just Kane and we need palmers who can hold the ball up and not lose it cheaply allowing other players to get in better positions
milo
Jack L. Jones
No. We should look to improve on all areas of our game.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I was meaning to comment on the Liverpool pairing because it is my understanding that it was Henderson who was playing deeper at the weekend and it was Milner who got forward more. I wonder if that will change.
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
Surely it's should be a balance depending on the game
For what it's worth I thought Liverpool were poor and did t get a real grip in the game
Milner was his Usual busy tidy self but Henderson was kinda invisible for me and I thought Milner dropped. Dry deep for the ball.
A draw would have been a fair result comfortably but if you have a player who can do that something different like Coutinho then you have a chance
Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
To add to your debate I've added my comments against the ones that matter
alekaras
The ITK of IDK
I'd plug the holes in the back. If you let 0 goals in every match, you're guaranteed not to lose. And you're bound to score the odd goal. Scoring goals requires some luck. Not conceding not so much. If I were to focus on one area it would be the one where luck plays the smallest role.