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Rodrigo Bentancur

honestly think this ban is farcical. How many players get banned for this many games? All this means is players will be very very guarded when they talk to the press, they all cover their mouths now just in case they get lip read.

I can somewhat get on board with a ban. Even though I think its weird. But 7 games is crazy. almost a quarter of a season. For me they have set a precedent and we will all be watching.

Mitrovic - 8 games for shoving the ref
Suarez - 8 games for actual racial abuse on Evra
 
Glenda's Legs said:
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1868989550703640654
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Maybe they should take the perspective of the supposed victim. Honestly, it's brick like this that has people taking right wing perspectives and bitching about "woke"

- The player has acknowledged, and apologized
- The club has made a statement it's unacceptable and the player and others will receive training/education
- The incident was something he fudging said away from the field
- Extended the pain for those who were originally affected by the incident? the comment is anecdotal and unsubstantiated
- What is the FA statement going to add that they are waiting on? nah, we decided to ensure we fudged Spurs way beyond any previous precedent. e.g. point in question, Enzo Fernandez incident is considered outside of reach of FA because he was outside UK, but somehow Bentancur in Uruguay is in reach?

The ban was 18% of the fudging season, there is no fudging precedent, this isn't about should he been corrected, it's a concern that the ban is fudging egregious in nature for something that broke no law and had was not done at a person (he didn't fudging shout it in Son's face), and was not done on the pitch.

That isn't even getting into the complete lack of cultural context (and yes, I get players need to behave in a way appropriated for the place there are in, but to not even pretend at applying context is nonsense)
 
Raziel said:
Maybe they should take the perspective of the supposed victim. Honestly, it's brick like this that has people taking right wing perspectives and bitching about "woke"

- The player has acknowledged, and apologized
- The club has made a statement it's unacceptable and the player and others will receive training/education
- The incident was something he fudging said away from the field
- Extended the pain for those who were originally affected by the incident? the comment is anecdotal and unsubstantiated
- What is the FA statement going to add that they are waiting on? nah, we decided to ensure we fudged Spurs way beyond any previous precedent. e.g. point in question, Enzo Fernandez incident is considered outside of reach of FA because he was outside UK, but somehow Bentancur in Uruguay is in reach?

The ban was 18% of the fudging season, there is no fudging precedent, this isn't about should he been corrected, it's a concern that the ban is fudging egregious in nature for something that broke no law and had was not done at a person (he didn't fudging shout it in Son's face), and was not done on the pitch.

That isn't even getting into the complete lack of cultural context (and yes, I get players need to behave in a way appropriated for the place there are in, but to not even pretend at applying context is nonsense)
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And the ban was managed so FIFA and UEFA didn't take any share of the 7 matches.

If the FA had any balls they would have made the decision earlier and ensured that the player missed 2 international games, 2 UEFA games and 3 domestic games. That sends the right message to world football about kicking it out. The FA should have just told (not asked) FIFA and UEFA that they were participating.

We all know that the decision was deferred until after all 3 international breaks were complete in the autumn. fudging cowards.
 
Raziel said:
Maybe they should take the perspective of the supposed victim. Honestly, it's brick like this that has people taking right wing perspectives and bitching about "woke"

- The player has acknowledged, and apologized
- The club has made a statement it's unacceptable and the player and others will receive training/education
- The incident was something he fudging said away from the field
- Extended the pain for those who were originally affected by the incident? the comment is anecdotal and unsubstantiated
- What is the FA statement going to add that they are waiting on? nah, we decided to ensure we fudged Spurs way beyond any previous precedent. e.g. point in question, Enzo Fernandez incident is considered outside of reach of FA because he was outside UK, but somehow Bentancur in Uruguay is in reach?

The ban was 18% of the fudging season, there is no fudging precedent, this isn't about should he been corrected, it's a concern that the ban is fudging egregious in nature for something that broke no law and had was not done at a person (he didn't fudging shout it in Son's face), and was not done on the pitch.

That isn't even getting into the complete lack of cultural context (and yes, I get players need to behave in a way appropriated for the place there are in, but to not even pretend at applying context is nonsense)
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And then appealed the ban. That is not a good look.

I agree it was too long. I agree that if the world of football actually cared about racism then he should be banned internationally too. And maybe start docking teams points nationally and internationally for when fans do it

Enzo should also be looked at, and it's all pick and choose.

It's unfortunate we got the brunt of it and probably it won't happen again. But appealing it I felt was not right. Nobody knows how Son really feels and will just have to take what Is said. But if a company I worked at said it was wrong then went on to appeal the decision. I wouldn't feel happy about it
 
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Mrs Vert said:
And then appealed the ban. That is not a good look.

I agree it was too long. I agree that if the world of football actually cared about racism then he should be banned internationally too. And maybe start docking teams points nationally and internationally for when fans do it

Enzo should also be looked at, and it's all pick and choose.

It's unfortunate we got the brunt of it and probably it won't happen again. But appealing it I felt was not right. Nobody knows how Son really feels and will just have to take what Is said. But if a company I worked at said it was wrong then went on to appeal the decision. I wouldn't feel happy about it
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I guess the problem is that the company he works for is THFC, but we weren't the ones making the decisions.

Enzo vs Bents is a great case study to get FIFA, UEFA and the FA in a room and show them that the multi-tier governance model just isn't working. If Bents was 7 games, Enzo should have been at least 12. Instead, he's been a key player for a team that sits second in the league.
 
Anyone who thinks it’s bad, go make a racist joke at work and see how you get dealt with.

I wager it will be more than not doing the next 7 tasks on your agenda.

I’m disgusted we appealed this, it sends a terrible message.
 
braineclipse said:
I think the club only appealed the length of the ban, not the ban itself?

I think the ban itself is fine in isolation. Though some other instances makes it seem like a harsh punishment.
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Exactly ...

Baleforce said:
Anyone who thinks it’s bad, go make a racist joke at work and see how you get dealt with.

I wager it will be more than not doing the next 7 tasks on your agenda.

I’m disgusted we appealed this, it sends a terrible message.
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He didn't make a joke at work, he made a badly stated cultural view away from work. And genuinely mate, its not the next 7 tasks, it's effectively 18% of your work year

And I'll go back to it, I've worked and lived in Spain and Latin America, in those environments that statement wouldn't a reaction from anyone, even in a work environment. (and yes, I get he has to learn he's in a different place, but it isn't someone who grew up in UK saying it, it just isn't the same)

I respect your views mate, but public groups/fans over pivoting on something like Bentancur while somehow losing courage on truly egregious sportspersons behavior is why things don't get fixed. Not trying to pull the whataboutism but clearly Bentancur must get punished yet I can think of a certain midfielder at our rivals and a striker playing on the continent that have far worse accusations against them, don't see any public statements
 
Raziel said:
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He didn't make a joke at work, he made a badly stated cultural view away from work. And genuinely mate, its not the next 7 tasks, it's effectively 18% of your work year

And I'll go back to it, I've worked and lived in Spain and Latin America, in those environments that statement wouldn't a reaction from anyone, even in a work environment. (and yes, I get he has to learn he's in a different place, but it isn't someone who grew up in UK saying it, it just isn't the same)

I respect your views mate, but public groups/fans over pivoting on something like Bentancur while somehow losing courage on truly egregious sportspersons behavior is why things don't get fixed. Not trying to pull the whataboutism but clearly Bentancur must get punished yet I can think of a certain midfielder at our rivals and a striker playing on the continent that have far worse accusations against them, don't see any public statements
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I want us to lead on this.
 
I'm surely we suspended Bentancur when it first happened/came to light.

I can't remember for how long, but means the club shouldn't lead on things like this now and get a double punishment.

Just wait for the FA/FIFA to deal with it
 
Chrissivad said:
I'm surely we suspended Bentancur when it first happened/came to light.

I can't remember for how long, but means the club shouldn't lead on things like this now and get a double punishment.

Just wait for the FA/FIFA to deal with it
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Did we? I didn't think we did anything? I know we benched Biss for what he did. Which was part of my problem with Spurs not doing anything. If we did, i stand corrected.

I know we were appealing length of ban. But I feel we shouldn't have.

It's the inconsistency of it all which makes it a joke. Some people can sing and nothing gets done.

From Guardian last month: Tottenham have not fined Rodrigo Bentancur for using a racial slur about teammate Son Heung-min
 
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Did we? I didn't think we did anything? I know we benched Biss for what he did. Which was part of my problem with Spurs not doing anything. If we did, i stand corrected.

I know we were appealing length of ban. But I feel we shouldn't have.

It's the inconsistency of it all which makes it a joke. Some people can sing and nothing gets done.

From Guardian last month: Tottenham have not fined Rodrigo Bentancur for using a racial slur about teammate Son Heung-min
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I do think part of being a big club is acting like a big club. Levy has every right to go in hard on the governance bodies in some areas. I had total respect for Liverpool and Arsenal when they made their "vote of no confidence" public statements on the state of refereeing and PGMOL. They took responsibility and let Howard Webb and the PL know that they weren't willing to put up with any more crap from his team. I have no problem with that as all.

Levy has been the shining light good guy in football for a long time. If I were him, I would have demanded a video conference call with Infantino, Cefferin and Mark Bullingham and read the riot act about the inconsistency between the 3 layers of governance. I would have demanded to know why my player got a 7 match ban which didn't include any FIFA and UEFA participation. I would have demanded to know why other players are not getting similar punishments.

I would have been totally happy to then do a public interview, and make a public statement if they didn't have good answers or refused my invitation to discuss.

I think eventually you need to remind these people that you are the product, and they are just an overhead in the game just like Liverpool and Arsenal did.
 
Muttley said:
I do think part of being a big club is acting like a big club. Levy has every right to go in hard on the governance bodies in some areas. I had total respect for Liverpool and Arsenal when they made their "vote of no confidence" public statements on the state of refereeing and PGMOL. They took responsibility and let Howard Webb and the PL know that they weren't willing to put up with any more crap from his team. I have no problem with that as all.

Levy has been the shining light good guy in football for a long time. If I were him, I would have demanded a video conference call with Infantino, Cefferin and Mark Bullingham and read the riot act about the inconsistency between the 3 layers of governance. I would have demanded to know why my player got a 7 match ban which didn't include any FIFA and UEFA participation. I would have demanded to know why other players are not getting similar punishments.

I would have been totally happy to then do a public interview, and make a public statement if they didn't have good answers or refused my invitation to discuss.

I think eventually you need to remind these people that you are the product, and they are just an overhead in the game just like Liverpool and Arsenal did.
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levy is not a football man. he wouldn't be bothered contesting var inconsistencies or disputable red cards.
 
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