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Racism in football

veryoldspur said:
Those figures are for working age men and don't include their dependants. Example, an engineer from umbawomba land comes to live here, but he brings his three wives and eight children. All of which use our facilities and infrastructure. In the 14 years of Tory rule legal immigration had a net cost of £112b, which are the OBR figures. Immigration offers an initial burst to the GDP, but the GDP is lower per person. Mass immigration has not only destroyed the country financially, it's ruined the culture and damaged our identity. Multiculturalism is a failed experiment that has destroyed many of our towns and cities. Fortunately we will have a government prepared to take this on in the next few years, but the best we can hope for is a slow down in the erosion of our country.

You only have to look at those fowl antisemitic individuals protesting on the streets every week to see what's happening. What makes it worse is a large percentage of them are indigenous people who have been brainwashed by our lefty education system. Never mind, I'm sure there are people on this site who think it's brilliant and would happily open the doors wide to anyone who wants to come and live here. The only light at the end of the tunnel is the majority agree with me
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Ok. You've poo pooed the figures, can you show me the wording for said figures that match with your declaration that it is a % of 'working men only'

And a link to the OBR figure you mention about 'total cost' would be great as well, if you have time.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Ok. You've poo pooed the figures, can you show me the wording for said figures that match with your declaration that it is a % of 'working men only'

And a link to the OBR figure you mention about 'total cost' would be great as well, if you have time.
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These are figures on the radio, and if you think I am going to spend the time confirming them, forget it. Anyone with an ounce of common sense realises mass legal immigration costs us a fortune, and let's not forget illegal immigration. The fact is that whilst a high GDP caused as a result of mass immigration gives us the second biggest figure in the G7, our GDP per capita is the lowest. Even the most fanatical lefty can't argue with that. Back to racism in football, this is worth a quick view
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veryoldspur said:
These are figures on the radio, and if you think I am going to spend the time confirming them, forget it. Anyone with an ounce of common sense realises mass legal immigration costs us a fortune, and let's not forget illegal immigration. The fact is that whilst a high GDP caused as a result of mass immigration gives us the second biggest figure in the G7, our GDP per capita is the lowest. Even the most fanatical lefty can't argue with that. Back to racism in football, this is worth a quick view
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Look. When discussing/debating something it's worth having some rules.
1. If one side or the other presents something as 'facts', provide sources/verification so BOTH sides can sign off on that.
2. If something then via pragmatic/logical thinking appears pretty much true/honest/accurate you can BOTH sign off on that too.
3. The discussion then gets to nuance/opinion. THIS is where the debate/discussion happens.

If you can't go via 1 and 2 initially then forget it.

Yes, you can fudge my rules, but I will only then ever think of you as a ranting old racist see you next Tuesday.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Look. When discussing/debating something it's worth having some rules.
1. If one side or the other presents something as 'facts', provide sources/verification so BOTH sides can sign off on that.
2. If something then via pragmatic/logical thinking appears pretty much true/honest/accurate you can BOTH sign off on that too.
3. The discussion then gets to nuance/opinion. THIS is where the debate/discussion happens.

If you can't go via 1 and 2 initially then forget it.

Yes, you can fudge my rules, but I will only then ever think of you as a ranting old racist see you next Tuesday.
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So typical of the left, if somebody has a concern regarding immigration they must be a raving racist. You don't surprise me, as name calling is what lefties do
 
veryoldspur said:
So typical of the left, if somebody has a concern regarding immigration they must be a raving racist. You don't surprise me, as name calling is what lefties do
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All you right wingers seemed to struggle with facts, language and general common sense. But hey ho. Take your racist self the eff out of here. Cnut
 
veryoldspur said:
So typical of the left, if somebody has a concern regarding immigration they must be a raving racist. You don't surprise me, as name calling is what lefties do
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I've asked you to follow some reasonable rules so a conversation can be progressive. I'm not calling you a 'rascist' but will think that if all the information you provide is unfounded.

On the original request, give 1 and 2 a try...it's the gateway to changing someone's mind/seeing your side.

'Look it up yourself' 'Cant be bothered' just makes your 'stats' smell off. Prove me wrong.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I've asked you to follow some reasonable rules so a conversation can be progressive. I'm not calling you a 'rascist' but will think that if all the information you provide is unfounded.

On the original request, give 1 and 2 a try...it's the gateway to changing someone's mind/seeing your side.

'Look it up yourself' 'Cant be bothered' just makes your 'stats' smell off. Prove me wrong.
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The internet is full of unproven facts and figures. I get my information from educated people such as Douglas Murray, rather than to read something I read on the internet.

Left wing politics is just idealism and virtue signalling. It's never worked in this country, it never will work in this country, and when attempted always leaves us in a horrible mess. Just look at what's happening at the moment.

As far as racism in football is concerned, it ended many years ago. The odd idiot who calls a black player a hurty name on Twitter hardly constitutes racism in football. We have moved on, but regrettably there is a small minority of woke students who look for offense where there isn't any
 
veryoldspur said:
The internet is full of unproven facts and figures. I get my information from educated people such as Douglas Murray, rather than to read something I read on the internet.

Left wing politics is just idealism and virtue signalling. It's never worked in this country, it never will work in this country, and when attempted always leaves us in a horrible mess. Just look at what's happening at the moment.

As far as racism in football is concerned, it ended many years ago. The odd idiot who calls a black player a hurty name on Twitter hardly constitutes racism in football. We have moved on, but regrettably there is a small minority of woke students who look for offense where there isn't any
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Your first sentence....yeah that's the problem. Let's try to be better than that.

Then you go off on another opinionated rant. Sigh.

1 and 2 are important as a foundation to move things forward. What's sad is you can't even acknowledge that.
 
veryoldspur said:
You don't need any written proof to see the detrimental effect mas immigration has had in our towns and cities. Spend some time yourself and look up the figures, but common sense will do that for you. Any person has to earn a minimum of £61k a year to be a net contributor, and I'm pretty damn sure the average immigrant doesn't get close to that. The additional tax revenue from immigration doesn't get close to paying for the infrastructure to support them. This isn't just the UK, it's all the civilized countries within Europe. Ask yourself, if all immigrants weren't entitled to benefits. the use of the NHS, or the education system for five years, how many do you think would want to live here?

The argument the left will give us is we need them for work purposes, in which case I would be happy to give work visas where necessary. We have endless amounts of unskilled unemployed people sat on the backsides claiming benefits, whilst be are being told that we need unskilled foreign workers to do the jobs the Britts won't. The entire system needs turning on it's head, but nothing will change while a minority of nutters singing the praises of mass immigration are listened to (The Greens and the Lib Dems primarily)
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Oh where to start.

£61k net puts you in the top 10%, yes 10%, of earners in the UK. Are you seriously saying everyone else doesn't contribute.
"Civilised countries in Europe" are you saying there are some uncivilised ones?
"Endless amounts of unskilled..." are exactly the reason we need foreign workers because the Brits are too workshy or "can't " work due to having a twisted sock or some other made up "illness"
"Minority of nutters" are actually those on the streets protesting about immigration and funnily enough also make up the endless amount of unskilled workers you talk about

I am truly ashamed people like you walk amongst us and are Spurs fans, a team I always thought had decent people who understood racism through the hissing noises made by opposition fans supporting them rather than knuckle daggers who talk about the "dangers" of multiculturalism.
 
veryoldspur said:
So typical of the left, if somebody has a concern regarding immigration they must be a raving racist. You don't surprise me, as name calling is what lefties do
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There's a difference between having concerns and openly acting like a racist and talking about people from Umbawomba land
 
camspur said:
Oh where to start.

£61k net puts you in the top 10%, yes 10%, of earners in the UK. Are you seriously saying everyone else doesn't contribute.
"Civilised countries in Europe" are you saying there are some uncivilised ones?
"Endless amounts of unskilled..." are exactly the reason we need foreign workers because the Brits are too workshy or "can't " work due to having a twisted sock or some other made up "illness"
"Minority of nutters" are actually those on the streets protesting about immigration and funnily enough also make up the endless amount of unskilled workers you talk about

I am truly ashamed people like you walk amongst us and are Spurs fans, a team I always thought had decent people who understood racism through the hissing noises made by opposition fans supporting them rather than knuckle daggers who talk about the "dangers" of multiculturalism.
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1. I said you have to earn £61k to be a NET contributor, not a contributor
2. Yes, there are European countries that aren't particularly civilized, ie Albania
3. No, we don't need unskilled foreign workers because of work shy Britts, just don't give the work shy Britts benefits, Simples
4. Sorry, if you don't think the Greens and Lib Dems are communist nutters, I have little hope for you
5. We don't have true racism in football. If you want to see true racism go and witness the pro Palestine Jew haters in London most weekends. I can't understand why players will be taking the knee this weekend for a problem that doesn't exist, but the lefties and wokes are allowed to chant "the river to the sea". Yes, racism exists in this country, and recently it has raised it's ugly head, but it's not at football matches
 
veryoldspur said:
1. I said you have to earn £61k to be a NET contributor, not a contributor
2. Yes, there are European countries that aren't particularly civilized, ie Albania
3. No, we don't need unskilled foreign workers because of work shy Britts, just don't give the work shy Britts benefits, Simples
4. Sorry, if you don't think the Greens and Lib Dems are communist nutters, I have little hope for you
5. We don't have true racism in football. If you want to see true racism go and witness the pro Palestine Jew haters in London most weekends. I can't understand why players will be taking the knee this weekend for a problem that doesn't exist, but the lefties and wokes are allowed to chant "the river to the sea". Yes, racism exists in this country, and recently it has raised it's ugly head, but it's not at football matches
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Educate me.
What is the difference between the pro Palestine Jew haters and the anti-immigration foreigner haters?
 
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