Putin & Russia

[SkipRat]

Generally, is life black and white? Especially in history, with years of detail and background. No boubt Putin is a clam. What’s less understood are the various moves and provocations from the quasi-US-NATO-empire.

No provocation at all.

NATO was setup to protect against Russian agression. They have zero f*cks about invading Russia...

The whole Ukraine things start in 2008 when Merkel and Sarkozy vetoed the Ukraine from joining NATO... Because plebs the both of them. Especially when the rest of the NATO alliance were saying, please don't be dingdongs.

Then when Russia invaded Crimea, the EU under Merkel, decided to suck off Russia for cheap oil to punish it, and show that if you are nice to Russia they will be nice to you.

Absolute macarons, the lot of them.

Merkel defends 2008 decision to block Ukraine from NATO

Former German chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO, rejecting President Volodymyr Zelensky's criticism as Russia's invasion clouds…

www.france24.com

 

[metalgear]

No provocation at all.

NATO was setup to protect against Russian agression. They have zero f*cks about invading Russia...

The whole Ukraine things start in 2008 when Merkel and Sarkozy vetoed the Ukraine from joining NATO... Because plebs the both of them. Especially when the rest of the NATO alliance were saying, please don't be dingdongs.

Then when Russia invaded Crimea, the EU under Merkel, decided to suck off Russia for cheap oil to punish it, and show that if you are nice to Russia they will be nice to you.

Absolute macarons, the lot of them.

Merkel defends 2008 decision to block Ukraine from NATO

Former German chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO, rejecting President Volodymyr Zelensky's criticism as Russia's invasion clouds…

www.france24.com

nato was set up to protect against the USSR aggression and should have been disbanded when the USSR broke up or at least reformed as the armed for forces of the EU to stay relevant.

iraq war was wrong - no punishments there which probably emboldened putin to attack crimea.

but i agree with you - macarons the lot of them
the biggest losers are fallen men and women in the war, then the taxpayers of the US, UK and Europe who fund it.
the biggest winner is the war industry who will benefit from the needed replenishment of ammo and weapons

 

[SkipRat]

nato was set up to protect against the USSR aggression and should have been disbanded when the USSR broke up or at least reformed as the armed for forces of the EU to stay relevant.

iraq war was wrong - no punishments there which probably emboldened putin to attack crimea.

but i agree with you - macarons the lot of them
the biggest losers are fallen men and women in the war, then the taxpayers of the US, UK and Europe who fund it.
the biggest winner is the war industry who will benefit from the needed replenishment of ammo and weapons

And 2022 invasion of Ukraine proves they was right not to dispand.

And it was the USA that said if Ukraine got rid of it's nukes, then it would protect Ukraine in Russia invaded.

And here we are.

Russia is to blame for everything. It had no reason to go into Ukraine, just parnoid, lying taco waffles, stuck in a 1950's cold war.

I honestly couldn't give a shyte about the EU. They are useless and incompetent. I remember them fecking up in Bosnia and the UN being a complete waste of space, as civilians were slaughterd down Sniper Alley, with NATO having to come and do something about it.

Then they screwed up again in Kosovo....

They screwed up after Chrimea got invaded...

All they ever do is screw up, and that useless wet fart of an excuse fot an EU leader Von Der Gargoyle, when she was German Armed Forces Minister, she sent the german army off to war with wooden cut out guns or broom sticks, sprayed black, I can't rember which one is fact, as they are both insane...

The EU is not an option, just look how the Germans are dithering over everything... And falling democratically and economically, despite being in the EU... We are told that the being in the EU will solve everything... Really? Germany?

What emboldened Russia to invade Chrimea was down to Merkel and Sarkozy, being a pair of weak wet farts vetoing Ukraine joining NATO. Giving free reign for Russia to invade a small part, to test the waters, becaue NATO came across as weak and divided. And when the EU decided that best way to stop Russia being naughty, was to sell it's soul for cheap oil and fund Putins war machine.

It has nothing to with NATO, but everything to do with weak leadership, and an insane of approach of being nice with Russia, by the EU.

 

[metalgear]

If anything this war has just proven to the rest of the neutral world that the US and Nato is run by warmongers.

Which explains the formation and rise of BRICS, which is nothing now but a bold anti-west statement.

Imo Europe and UK literally cannot afford to alienate itself from the economies of east Asia in the next decade.

 

[SpiderSpurs]

If anything this war has just proven to the rest of the neutral world that the US and Nato is run by warmongers.

Which explains the formation and rise of BRICS, which is nothing now but a bold anti-west statement.

Imo Europe and UK literally cannot afford to alienate itself from the economies of east Asia in the next decade.

Russia invaded Ukraine and that somehow shows that the US and Nato is run by warmongers ?

Please explain your thinking.

 

[Rorschach]

A third Russian tanker to break up in the Black Sea in as many days. If they keep sending river boats out there, it will be a literal Black Sea.

 

[Jordinho]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869684490127208721

Being used as cannon fodder in the fight against the evil west.

 

[Mikey10]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869684490127208721

Being used as cannon fodder in the fight against the evil west.

Literally millions more where they came from. Completely disposable to those in charge of North Korea and Russia, as are all human lives other than their and their cronies own.

 

[Cundies undies]

Literally millions more where they came from. Completely disposable to those in charge of North Korea and Russia, as are all human lives other than their and their cronies own.

Mate, I'm ex military, pls don't say they are disposable. These unfortunate fudgers most likely didn't have a choice. I get you and others (and me) have a side, but these poor bricks really are deserving of sympathy.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Mate, I'm ex military, pls don't say they are disposable. These unfortunate fudgers most likely didn't have a choice. I get you and others (and me) have a side, but these poor bricks really are deserving of sympathy.

I think that was @Mikey10 's point - that the powers that be see them as disposible very much because they don't have a choice and there is a huge supply of replacements who can't consciently object. I think we all feel sympathy for anyone that is forced into combat, and it's clear these guys are being used as cannon fodder.

 

[Mikey10]

Mate, I'm ex military, pls don't say they are disposable. These unfortunate fudgers most likely didn't have a choice. I get you and others (and me) have a side, but these poor bricks really are deserving of sympathy.

I think that was @Mikey10 's point - that the powers that be see them as disposible very much because they don't have a choice and there is a huge supply of replacements who can't consciently object. I think we all feel sympathy for anyone that is forced into combat, and it's clear these guys are being used as cannon fodder.

Sorry @Cundies undies - somehow missed these replies.

@Glenda’s Legs is spot on. I feel massive sympathy for those thrown onto the frontlines by authoritarian leaders who see their lives as something that can be sacrificed without much thought. Absolutely no offence meant to anyone who has served. Apologies if my post was badly worded.

 

[Jordinho]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1879198318418665933

 

[Bullet]

^^One assumes "every citizen" means "every citizen apart from the 500,000 elites over here"

I hope the end is coming. Russia must pay dearly for what they have done. They can't just hide behind Putin. I've seen loads of street interviews where Russians say that the Ukranian nazi scum need to be ethnically cleansed from the face of the earth.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

^^One assumes "every citizen" means "every citizen apart from the 500,000 elites over here"

I hope the end is coming. Russia must pay dearly for what they have done. They can't just hide behind Putin. I've seen loads of street interviews where Russians say that the Ukranian nazi scum need to be ethnically cleansed from the face of the earth.

I think if Putin is removed or steps aside nothing much will change, Russia and it's people have no idea how democracy works and there could be major civil war between the different groups to grab power.

 

[Rorschach]

I think if Putin is removed or steps aside nothing much will change, Russia and it's people have no idea how democracy works and there could be major civil war between the different groups to grab power.

I doubt he will step aside but if he is deposed there will be utter chaos, and most likely a splintering of the federation, according to some of the experts I have read.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Mate, I'm ex military, pls don't say they are disposable. These unfortunate fudgers most likely didn't have a choice. I get you and others (and me) have a side, but these poor bricks really are deserving of sympathy.

It is gross the way those in the west watch on as though it’s entertainment. With Biden recently saying Ukraine needed to commit more men - so the canon fodder is not just on the authoritarian side. There is something wrong with people in the US or commentators in the UK committing the lives of a nations young men to serve their own goals.

Many of the weapons being used are made in factories very close to us. Many of the posters here are gunning for war and to take the fight to Putin. Even though Ukrainians don’t necessarily share the desire. Who cares about Ukraines people and their lives? Does the US? Or does it really care about geo-politics? About the role of Russia and its sphere of influence. It doesn’t really give two hoots about the poor people giving their own lives, who’ll never grow up, let alone old. I find the whole thing deeply distasteful.

 

[scaramanga]

It is gross the way those in the west watch on as though it’s entertainment. With Biden recently saying Ukraine needed to commit more men - so the canon fodder is not just on the authoritarian side. There is something wrong with people in the US or commentators in the UK committing the lives of a nations young men to serve their own goals.

Many of the weapons being used are made in factories very close to us. Many of the posters here are gunning for war and to take the fight to Putin. Even though Ukrainians don’t necessarily share the desire. Who cares about Ukraines people and their lives? Does the US? Or does it really care about geo-politics? About the role of Russia and its sphere of influence. It doesn’t really give two hoots about the poor people giving their own lives, who’ll never grow up, let alone old. I find the whole thing deeply distasteful.

It doesn't have to be one or the other.

It's quite important for all of the countries bordering Russia that they don't gain from starting wars. We shouldn't have stared at our feet when they did it to Georgia and we shouldn't have twiddled our thumbs when they first did it to Ukraine.

 

[SpurMeUp]

It doesn't have to be one or the other.

It's quite important for all of the countries bordering Russia that they don't gain from starting wars. We shouldn't have stared at our feet when they did it to Georgia and we shouldn't have twiddled our thumbs when they first did it to Ukraine.

Too much or too little meddling?

The status quo was with Russia having its common wealth of nations. Being the de facto go to for all the ex soviet states. There was peace and security. Russia was happy, but the west wasn’t. So the US poured money into Ukraine to affect its democracy, to move it away from Russia. Which is really the start of this current conflict.

What would you suggest the UK should do if Russia was meddling in Scotland or Ireland trying to pull them away from the UK?

 

[Mikey10]

What would you suggest the UK should do if Russia was meddling in Scotland or Ireland trying to pull them away from the UK?

It’s already been happening for years. What do you think Russian involvement in Brexit was about, other than helping to break up the EU and the UK?

(I’m assuming you mean Northern Ireland btw.)

 

[Gutter Boy]

Too much or too little meddling?

The status quo was with Russia having its common wealth of nations. Being the de facto go to for all the ex soviet states. There was peace and security. Russia was happy, but the west wasn’t. So the US poured money into Ukraine to affect its democracy, to move it away from Russia. Which is really the start of this current conflict.

What would you suggest the UK should do if Russia was meddling in Scotland or Ireland trying to pull them away from the UK?

Russia also have their army occupying parts of Georgia and Moldova at the moment, and did in Azerbaijan until a few months ago. They just didnt like the European/Turkic leanings of those countries.

Giving Russia responsibility for sorting out Northern Ireland might have been a brilliant solution!