Not at all really. Transport costs are only going one way, so we have a factory in central Europe for serving the mainland.
Our UK arms are for serving the UK and RoW
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Our UK arms are for serving the UK and RoW
Why don't they export products using non EU rules if cheaper... It seems its cheaper to use EU rules either way
I dont think it's border issues, it is to ensure access to the EU(more expensive to have and prove two production methods )
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SpurMeUp
Les Howe
This is nonsense. The EU created lobbying. Outside the EU there will be no lobbying?
The EU is a big advocate of free trade. It is quite simple - it’s the worlds largest customs union, where there are no barriers to trade! On top of that it has circa 50 free trade agreements with 3rd nations like Canada. The UK is not agile and able to broker UK specific trade deals but this is more than offset by the negotiating strength and the above free trade facilities that the EU provides to us.
You stated that the EU stops you from exporting and leaving the EU would allow you to export more to non EU nations. Now you’ve said the EU doesn’t stop you exporting. Where will the new markets come from and why aren’t you selling to them now?
You then went on to suggest that being in the EU creates lobby costs! The USA or other non-EU nations don’t have lobbying? And how would you affect and influence EU and US regulation of medical supplies with no local breakfasts or representation? You would have to pay foreign entities to represent you in Washington or the EU where the regulators are set for global medical norms.
No wonder you voted remain.
I am amazed by how snake oil Brexit claims are not banished for being absurd. It’s as though people have given up on truth. As someone who pans quacks and respects science, how can you contradict every credible economist who thinks Brexit will makes the UK poorer? Pre-Brexit that would make you one of them - an unscientific quack. Now it’s seems permissible that nonsense is unsubstantiated and made up to fit the (failing) ideology. The sooner people can see the economic truth the less the UK economy will suffer.
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For some it would be cheaper to have two production methods. For many, 85% of this country's GDP there is no export to the EU at all. For them it makes no sense to work to EU regulations for goods and services nevertheless traded with them.
I understand that in many fields it will be cheaper to harmonise everything and that's understandable. Don't let anyone try to convince you that proving origin is in any way difficult, complex or a significant barrier to trade though. It's something I've dealt with plenty and be administrative overhead is no more than producing an EC sales list, or the work involved in bringing products in and out of Guernsey. Again, there may be exceptions but if your product is reasonably regular in its make up, then it's simple
I've never had to lobby over anything that wasn't an EU directive.
Outside the EU I would be free to compete on equal terms with my competitors around the world. That's all I want, an equal footing.
The EU promotes free trade within its own borders, it continually puts up direct and indirect barriers to external trade.
I already trade with the EU from a factory that will remain in the EU when the UK leaves. What I want is to be able to trade with the rest of the world without the interference of the EU.
I've never stated that the EU stops me trading with anyone. Merely that UK membership of the EU makes us unable to compete on price with the rest of the world.
The materials we buy are either subject to tariffs or are expensive because they're from the EU. The cost of creating our products is higher due to being in the EU. Then there are tariffs applied in many of those sales because the EU does not trade freely with all the countries where my customer base would be.
I've only ever lobbied the UK government to give me derogations from EU law. Sometimes that works, other times we swallow the cost of that law.
Outside of the EU I wouldn't have had to do any of that work or pay for others to help.
I neither sell medical supplies nor have any interest in altering foreign regulation.
I just don't want the EU pricing me out of the global market.
There are plenty of economists who disagree with your view. I've linked a few in this thread.
More importantly, those who invest my meagre savings and investments, those who I trust my son's future to, are confident of a strong UK market no matter how Brexit develops. Mainly this is down to the fact that most people underestimate just how readily businesses just get on with doing business. Hurdles come and go, but we keep changing to cope with them.
If you leave the echo chamber for long enough you will hear those opinions too.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
@Scara I don't mean to take you to task, but there are so many lies about the benefits of Brexit. It is time they are called out. If the benefits to Brexit exist, great lets hear them, but when its gonads, it has to be highlighted. Because Brexit will impact people; make them poorer mainly, but also potentially reduce their rights. Lies then need exposing.
Fundamental flaw to your argument: outside the EU there isn't free non-tariff trade. Quite the opposite. As well as tariffs there are regulations that impair global trade. The EU is an improvement moving towards freer trade as you know.
You state the EU impacts your companies non-EU trade, but you say you trade with the rest of the world now. So the EU can't be that prohibitive. And you failed to tell me how leaving would create more exports for you. Other than you think you'll be able to import materials cheaper. What materials are these? You say you don't sell medical supplies but previously wrote you provide services to medical industries. Confused.
Above you also contradict this:
...this undermines your credibility on the subject. As though you'd say anything to present Brexit as positive, in spite of the truth?
You say there are plenty of economists who don't think Brexit will harm the UK economy, but you fail to cite one. Patrick Milfield or whatever his name is, is the one rolled out by the likes of Jacob ReeseMog, but he has also said that Brexit would decimate UK manufacturing and car production.
I'd suggest that reading the Telegraph and Spectator (2 publications you recommended) is the Eco chamber. Funded by anti-EU owners every article is feeding the owners pet bias. On the EU these publications are not scientific or balanced in the slightest. Boris' position owes a lot to them too. If you were offered £350,000 a year to be pro-Brexit (the sum Boris is paid by the Barclay brothers to write for the Telegraph) you'd break their hand off, even if you were previously on the fence (as Boris was). The act of writing the biased tripe, bouncing off other deluded (all be it eloquent intelligent) people like Daniel Hannon, creates the Eco chamber and mutual aggrandisement.
Fundamental flaw to your argument: outside the EU there isn't free non-tariff trade. Quite the opposite. As well as tariffs there are regulations that impair global trade. The EU is an improvement moving towards freer trade as you know.
You state the EU impacts your companies non-EU trade, but you say you trade with the rest of the world now. So the EU can't be that prohibitive. And you failed to tell me how leaving would create more exports for you. Other than you think you'll be able to import materials cheaper. What materials are these? You say you don't sell medical supplies but previously wrote you provide services to medical industries. Confused.
Above you also contradict this:
...this undermines your credibility on the subject. As though you'd say anything to present Brexit as positive, in spite of the truth?
You say there are plenty of economists who don't think Brexit will harm the UK economy, but you fail to cite one. Patrick Milfield or whatever his name is, is the one rolled out by the likes of Jacob ReeseMog, but he has also said that Brexit would decimate UK manufacturing and car production.
I'd suggest that reading the Telegraph and Spectator (2 publications you recommended) is the Eco chamber. Funded by anti-EU owners every article is feeding the owners pet bias. On the EU these publications are not scientific or balanced in the slightest. Boris' position owes a lot to them too. If you were offered £350,000 a year to be pro-Brexit (the sum Boris is paid by the Barclay brothers to write for the Telegraph) you'd break their hand off, even if you were previously on the fence (as Boris was). The act of writing the biased tripe, bouncing off other deluded (all be it eloquent intelligent) people like Daniel Hannon, creates the Eco chamber and mutual aggrandisement.
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AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
It genuinely amazes me to read and hear that actual fully-formed, learned individuals still harbour the same opinions about Corbyn as EDL Dave down the Crown and Anchor.
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ringo
Tim Sherwood
Can we have a Brexit outcome poll? Something along the lines of what the position will be as of March 29:
No-deal Brexit,
Remain,
Brexit on UK Parliament/EU agreed deal,
Article 50 extension for People's vote,
Article 50 extension and still internally negotiating UK parliament's position on Brexit.
Other e.g. general election
No-deal Brexit,
Remain,
Brexit on UK Parliament/EU agreed deal,
Article 50 extension for People's vote,
Article 50 extension and still internally negotiating UK parliament's position on Brexit.
Other e.g. general election
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
How did Dianne Abbott do on Question Time lastnight ??
I'll go for:
Article 50 extension and still internally negotiating UK parliament's position on Brexit.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Too right, but let's also consider the big double standard. Scara had no trouble with that criminal and murderer Pinochet being a buddy with Thatcher, oh no! Also hasn't May shared a platform with Netanyahu? I rest my case.
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
No deal
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
ringo
Tim Sherwood
Lewandowski's for a Norway +++ apparently.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Are you here all week?
If she managed to pronounce her own name and count to 10 correctly she'll have done well.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
Do you really need to ask...?
