I enjoyed Gove’s speech just now
He's an arrogant qunt who could do with a punch in the face.
I enjoyed Gove’s speech just now
He's an arrogant qunt who could do with a punch in the face.
IMO, the most interesting thing about the vote was the statements from respective leaders at the end. May said she wants to talk to the leaders of each party. Corbyn and the Lib Dem leader said they will only engage in talks if 'no-deal' is off the table. SNP leader said they will only engage in talks if 2nd referendum and extending article 50 are on the table.
It's pretty clear the direction May has to go in if she wants Parliament to ratify any deal. The EU have said the next move in negotiations must come from London. Now is her chance to remove the red lines that she has boxed herself in with, but will the right of her party allow her to?
She won’t know what she’s going to do next. She makes it up as she goes along.
I hope there isn't an election, who would you vote for? What a shower...
Gove's speech is exactly why I can't see Corbyn ever being PM, it's all debateable but he's shared a stage with some dodgy people, has other links to dodgy people and when it comes to it he just simply won't win enough seats.
None of us have a crystal ball, BUT...whilst it's unlikely Corbyn's Labour would win an outright majority (as things stand right now), it is quite likely that they would be the largest party at the next election. The trouble with all the negative campaigning and "Corbyn's a terrorist" stuff is that it's been done already, and a helluva lot. I'd say it's priced in. On the campaign trail the Tories will actually have to come up with some positive policies to make the country better -- they have nothing. "Look at the scary Corbyn!" didn't really work for them last time, Labour's vote went up whilst The Tories lost a majority, after calling an election and expecting to wipe Labour out.
You weren't listening were you? For once May was a little clever in what she said.IMO, the most interesting thing about the vote was the statements from respective leaders at the end. May said she wants to talk to the leaders of each party. Corbyn and the Lib Dem leader said they will only engage in talks if 'no-deal' is off the table. SNP leader said they will only engage in talks if 2nd referendum and extending article 50 are on the table.
It's pretty clear the direction May has to go in if she wants Parliament to ratify any deal. The EU have said the next move in negotiations must come from London. Now is her chance to remove the red lines that she has boxed herself in with, but will the right of her party allow her to?
All true but look at the polls, he should be 10-15% ahead by now. This government is an absolute shambles and he still can't get a lead going by the latest polls where unbelievably he seems to be down around 5%.
You weren't listening were you? For once May was a little clever in what she said.
May said that she would speak privately with the leaders of the other parties, and that she wanted other parties to have an input into the process - that's not the same thing. Corbyn absolutely won't be present at those meetings except the one in private with May. She, I assume, will select (a) more reasonable member(s) of the Labour party who won't be obstructive purely because it serves their ambition.
I think if she finds an ambitious moderate they'll be able to see that being seen as someone who gets things done (even if it's getting minor concessions) would place them in far better stead as leader of the opposition than someone who just cluelessly obstructs without ever quite having a grip of what's going on.You don't think that Labour moderates will obstruct May? They want customs union and single market, with no-deal off the table, even more than Corbyn does. Likewise the Lib Dems and SNP. Regardless of if she talks to Corbyn or not, if she doesn't bend on her arbitrary red lines, then she will get nowhere imo.
I think if she finds an ambitious moderate they'll be able to see that being seen as someone who gets things done (even if it's getting minor concessions) would place them in far better stead as leader of the opposition than someone who just cluelessly obstructs without ever quite having a heaps of what's going on.
If they bring enough votes with them (and plenty in the Labour party would love to outmanoeuvre Corbyn) then May doesn't need all of her party.None of that changes the fact that if she doesn't move her red lines, she won't get any help. But she can't move on those red lines, or the right of the Tory party will rip the party in half, that's the whole reason she has given herself no room to manoeuvre. These aren't minor concessions, she will have to totally change course. Corbyn is probably one of the people in the Labour Party who could potentially support her leave stance the most (although of course he won't, as he wants the Tories out. As do all the people who support him). Get Yvette and Chukka in there, they ain't going to help May if she doesn't want to be open to soft-brexit or a 2nd ref.
If they bring enough votes with them (and plenty in the Labour party would love to outmanoeuvre Corbyn) then May doesn't need all of her party.