Politics, politics, politics

[Parklaner81]

The automation and the factor closure decisions must have been very finely balanced, then. Coin-toss stuff, if a 33p per hour increase tipped the board in favour of job losses.

The long term growth trend of the minimum wage was discussed a couple of pages back. It's well ahead of average earnings. Given the prevailing political climate I don't see any indication that employers should expect it to slow down. I'd be fairly sure that a board would look at data like this as opposed to the amount of a single increase when taking such decisions.

 

[DTA]

Sounds like the employment market didn't think much of your father's skills.[/B]

I'm proud to say I'm neither a nationalist nor a patriot. Borders are just artificial lines created by people before global trade and travel existed. I have far more in common with people from Paris or New York than I do people from Manchester or Saudi Sportswashing Machine.

You need to read carefully what he wrote and take that back dude.

 

[scaramanga]

You need to read carefully what he wrote and take that back dude.

His old man was complaining about not getting paid enough (dressed up as a dig at capitalism).

The market clearly didn't value him highly.

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

His old man was complaining about not getting paid enough (dressed up as a dig at capitalism).

The market clearly didn't value him highly.

Suspect DTA was thinking about the first four words of the post.

 

[monkeybarry]

How about not reoffending?

Reoffending is wider than just rehabilitative actions in prison.
It is affected by the support networks post release (Govt and non Govt), the social conditions and location they find themselves in and societal attitudes (IE, it is very hard to find a job with criminal record and the overall stigma to someone with a record is huge.).
Add to that the mental and chemical impact of prison and it creates a poor platform.
The prison system needs to be able to operate to rehabilitate offenders so society can benefit from them (that is wider than just having some skills for the workplace), not focus on profits.
It would easy to create a system where you put prisoners through courses - although Parole eligibility is far more complex than that.
Judging by reoffending rates (for all prisoners, not just those who need parole) would not be a measure of a prisons success, there are too many post release factors that can't be influenced by the system, let alone the individual prison.

 

[scaramanga]

Suspect DTA was thinking about the first four words of the post.

I read that. I don't speak differently of the dead to the living (see the "20xx checking out" threads). I think doing so diminishes the memory and the reality of when they lived and only serves to help the mourning create a character myth and become weak.

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

I read that. I don't speak differently of the dead to the living (see the "20xx checking out" threads). I think doing so diminishes the memory and the reality of when they lived and only serves to help the mourning create a character myth and become weak.

When public figures kick the bucket, I couldn't agree with you more.

 

[scaramanga]

Reoffending is wider than just rehabilitative actions in prison.
It is affected by the support networks post release (Govt and non Govt), the social conditions and location they find themselves in and societal attitudes (IE, it is very hard to find a job with criminal record and the overall stigma to someone with a record is huge.).
Add to that the mental and chemical impact of prison and it creates a poor platform.
The prison system needs to be able to operate to rehabilitate offenders so society can benefit from them (that is wider than just having some skills for the workplace), not focus on profits.
It would easy to create a system where you put prisoners through courses - although Parole eligibility is far more complex than that.
Judging by reoffending rates (for all prisoners, not just those who need parole) would not be a measure of a prisons success, there are too many post release factors that can't be influenced by the system, let alone the individual prison.

Social conditions and locations apply to plenty of people and not everyone offends - I don't see it as a valid excuse. The mental and chemical impact of prison is within the control of those running the prisons and therefore is already taken into account when targeting re-offending rates.

I agree that there's a social stigma to having a criminal record, I wouldn't employ a convicted criminal given other options (unless it was a victimless crime, like speeding).

 

[the dza]

You may have heard that a Saudi missile strike in Yemen recently blew up a school-bus full of children. You may not know that the weapon was a precision weapon, a laser guided bomb, made in the USA. I guess it could just have easily been made in the UK, since we like to sell Saudi Arabia weapons. And we, along with the US, are actively helping them blow people up in Yemen.

Can we stop selling weapons to tyrannical regimes? We can at least do that. This is a country where be-headings are the norm. "Oh, but the new guy lets women drive now." Please. No more weapons sales to these people.

 

[r-u-s-x]

I read that. I don't speak differently of the dead to the living (see the "20xx checking out" threads). I think doing so diminishes the memory and the reality of when they lived and only serves to help the mourning create a character myth and become weak.

he made no comment on whether he could find decently paid work

FYI -Empathy -the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

 

[r-u-s-x]

Social conditions and locations apply to plenty of people and not everyone offends - I don't see it as a valid excuse. The mental and chemical impact of prison is within the control of those running the prisons and therefore is already taken into account when targeting re-offending rates.

I agree that there's a social stigma to having a criminal record, I wouldn't employ a convicted criminal given other options (unless it was a victimless crime, like speeding).

Prisons cost a lot of money, I cant be bothered to have a proper look but I suspect that youth clubs, halfway houses, mental health etc are cheaper net - you cut the later you pay more for the former.

If this is the case (after a cost benefit) would you advocate spending on these areas?

 

[scaramanga]

Prisons cost a lot of money, I cant be bothered to have a proper look but I suspect that youth clubs, halfway houses, mental health etc are cheaper net - you cut the later you pay more for the former.

If this is the case (after a cost benefit) would you advocate spending on these areas?

I advocate reducing the overall spend. If that can be proven to work then it gets my vote.

 

[scaramanga]

he made no comment on whether he could find decently paid work

FYI -Empathy -the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

I'll give you a free life tip - don't waste any more of your life on empathy. It's a thoroughly pointless exercise and will gain you nothing in the long run.

 

[Grays_1890]

 

[glasgowspur]

You may have heard that a Saudi missile strike in Yemen recently blew up a school-bus full of children. You may not know that the weapon was a precision weapon, a laser guided bomb, made in the USA. I guess it could just have easily been made in the UK, since we like to sell Saudi Arabia weapons. And we, along with the US, are actively helping them blow people up in Yemen.

Can we stop selling weapons to tyrannical regimes? We can at least do that. This is a country where be-headings are the norm. "Oh, but the new guy lets women drive now." Please. No more weapons sales to these people.

Some parts of that missile, the guidance system I think, is made in Scotland.
Made no less by a company receiving grants from the Holyrood government.

 

[r-u-s-x]

I'll give you a free life tip - don't waste any more of your life on empathy. It's a thoroughly pointless exercise and will gain you nothing in the long run.

Ta - I think it makes the world a better place. As it was I wasn't telling you to be aware his dad died more that his dad can make a comment on something without it happening to him.

 

[r-u-s-x]

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That is an awesome way to share a tweet, genuinely impressed.

 

[Grays_1890]

That is an awesome way to share a tweet, genuinely impressed.

I thought so

 

[monkeybarry]

Social conditions and locations apply to plenty of people and not everyone offends - I don't see it as a valid excuse. The mental and chemical impact of prison is within the control of those running the prisons and therefore is already taken into account when targeting re-offending rates.

I agree that there's a social stigma to having a criminal record, I wouldn't employ a convicted criminal given other options (unless it was a victimless crime, like speeding).

We were talking about reoffending and it being a performance measures in a profit based system. The social elements affect reoffending (IE society putting barriers in place) and so do employers (employers are just people in the local community - adding an extra layer to social isolation).

So any business would be foolish to accept reoffending as a profit based measure because too many factors are out of their control.

The prison conditions are in the control of the prisons to a certain degree and rely on proper management and funding. There is a reason only huge companies are interested in these contracts, they can make money and if/when it goes wrong, absorb the costs within the group.
It is the conditions outside of prison that really push the drug and violence in prison, and that needs to be dealt with by giving genuine opportunities for prisons to get back into society and away from reoffending and the influences (and coversion/blackmail etc) that create reoffending.
Getting people to reoffend is big business for drug dealers.

 

[the dza]

Some parts of that missile, the guidance system I think, is made in Scotland.
Made no less by a company receiving grants from the Holyrood government.

Even worse then, in terms of that particular story. It really disgraces us as a nation imo, to arm these type of regimes. Should be a simple rule that, if you commit human rights abuses, we won't sell you weapons of war.