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NWND said:
Hmmm, what a boringly inaccurate statement. Living standards in this country have never been higher across the board.
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Ssshhhhhh!

It's the gap that matters, not the base level. We're all far better off when everyone has nothing than when the poor have a lot and the rich even more.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Britain has spoken.

For Labour to realistically think they had a chance while absorbing so many lost seats in Scotland (much predicted) is at best wishful thinking.

The tories were the safe vote, and i'm thankful that a large enough section of the population realised, that maybe just now is not the time to rock the boat.

As Scara says above, the economy was a wreck (even confirmed by 'that' letter left by the labour treasury on departing), and anyone with a reasonable grasp of economics would realise the light at the end of the tunnel wasn't even there, and to be truthful is barely there now. The numbers are still massive. When trying to maneuver, they are often caught between a rock and a hard place given the situation. All they can do is try and limit the pain felt by the masses.

I hate it when people spew out the 'but they've has 5 years to sort it out.....the tories haven't got a clue....you can't blame the previous govt' etc. This time you can. We were f*cked. Whick is ok if the previous 20years of 'good times' you saved a penny or two. And when people spew out these armchair comments who do they think the alternative is going to be..er Labour.

And lets be honest, politics is a personality game and most people would be lying if they denied it didn't have some influence over whether they voted for 1 party or another. With Red Ed your just on to a loser from the offs, right from the moment he beat his (much more likeable/believable) brother, via all the media,PR,presentation training in the world he just carries no charisma,authority,depth in anything he does. And as for Ed Balls...well.

The lib dems really have paid the price of their moment in the limelight, and have been replaced (% wise) by the rise of UKip. Anyone know the make-up of the Ukip vote ie which party they have migrated from and social status??
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It's hard to tell without proper analysis, what I would say is the huge surge in UKIP percentage vote is only matched by the huge loss of Lib Dem vote.

Labour needed many of its traditional voters to return to them from their flirt with the Libs in 2010. Instead, the first glance suggests that they've simply abandoned the Liberals as a protest vote for the new protest parties on the block in the UKIP, SNP and Greens. The only major party successful in tempting Lib voters back to them were the Conservatives. That's what swung it in the end.
 
scaramanga said:
Ssshhhhhh!

It's the gap that matters, not the base level. We're all far better off when everyone has nothing than when the poor have a lot and the rich even more.
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Yeah it's ridiculous that people say Britain isn't great any more and now it's just full of rich fat cats milking the poor so they can fight illegal wars. The reality of course was that "Great Britain" involved rich fat cats in the East India company ordering the invasion of country after country using the resources of slave child labour in the industrial revolution back home where you were lucky if you didn't die of malnourishment and ricketts by the time you were 10 and plundered resources and slaves across the globe... but no, we're a shambles now good grief!
 
scaramanga said:
That tactic only started towards the end of the campaign and didn't result in any visible swing (we have to assume that all the polls were equally wrong by a roughly equal amount). It seems to me that the battle was always won, but the pollsters made the mistake of valuing online polls far too highly:
http://survation.com/snatching-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victory/
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Didn't cause a direct Con-Lab swing, but caused many Lib-Dems and others to vote Tory, particularly in the marginals.
 
NWND said:
Yeah it's ridiculous that people say Britain isn't great any more and now it's just full of rich fat cats milking the poor so they can fight illegal wars. The reality of course was that "Great Britain" involved rich fat cats in the East India company ordering the invasion of country after country using the resources of slave child labour in the industrial revolution back home where you were lucky if you didn't die of malnourishment and ricketts by the time you were 10 and plundered resources and slaves across the globe... but no, we're a shambles now good grief!
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The Tories ruled then too. Seems like nothing much has changed, they are still the party of the exploiters.
 
super spurs said:
what UKIP voters?...UKIP don't have any traditional voters.being a relatively new party .I was traditionally labor...I'll be voting for the first time UKIP.
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Thanks for digging this up. Remember all the hype about how UKIP would be the new third force in British politics after the European elections? Hey Scara, I said it was flimflam all the way back then and was right!o_O
 
galeforce said:
3rd in the popular vote are they not?
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Gilzeantoscore said:
Yeah, but only one seat.
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There was an article in the Spectator recently - I'll see if I can dig it out - from UKIP HQ.

The plan all along has been to cement themselves as the second choice in as many working class Labour seats in the North as possible, whilst trying to hold the Euro-sceptic Conservative vote as much as possible. Getting Farage into the Commons was also on that list. Then, at the next election, they're arguing from a position where they have to be taken seriously and can compete for many more seats.

I'd say they've done very well in that regard. They're certainly the second party in vast chunks of the North, and there are still some ex-Tories voting for them in the South. Farage was a wonderful fail though. I wouldn't write them off yet - the plan is a longer one than many would think.

Edit: Here's the article:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features...s-ukip-is-getting-serious-about-its-strategy/
 
Just think.. ,;`Wales Nationalists will follow the lead of the SNP, therefore for me we are seeing the real possibility of Labour becoming the third party in the coming years.. especially if the Tories stick to there words in the lead up to this result. Start fcuking the public and the same that has happened to Labour could happen to them. Stick to what they promised and see a long term in power with Labour weakened everywhere.
 
Seedy Ron said:
Fast forward 5 years and we'll have had this stupid in/out referendum on the EU and UKIP's raison d'etre will be moot, one way or the other.
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Indeed and hopefully we'll all vote OUT and be left to fend for ourselves with no busy bodies interference.
 
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