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scaramanga said:
Staying the fudge out of the stuff that isn't the government's business.
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On paper that is a great idea, businesses should be left to do the right things re their employees, the environment and paying their taxes. unfortunately time and time again (especially large) businesses have shown that they cannot be trusted to ever do the right thing.

Whenever the government gives businesses an edge, a tax break, option to be more competitive in some way, business end up tax havening their money, paying their C-suite 10X, offshoring everything they can and having minimal positive impact within local area/country.

America has gone down that route (thanks to lobbying) and you end up in a situation where GE & 10 other household name companies pay less tax per year than I do, where Warren Buffet's admin pays more tax than he does and the pay inequality between executives and staff is the highest it has been since the era of Robber Barons.
 
milo said:
May has already said that she will create a department for Brexit and put a leave supporter in charge of it. I think that this is a rather clever strategy to make sure that potential rivals for her post are mired in the outcome of negotiations. The reshuffle on Thursday and Friday will be fascinating, I would expect to see a Brexiteer at DEFRA too because it is going to be a pig of a job untangling ourselves from EU environmental and agricultural law, I would not be surprised if that was where she put Leadsom.
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:D
 
milo said:
Not popular with his colleagues and tainted by the referendum campaign. Sending him to the backbenches also makes it easier to backtrack on the economic policies of the last six years.
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Why was he not popular? Is it the actual fiscal policies he pursued or is it the apparent 'roosteryness' of saying to some of the MPs who supported him that if they want this bridge or that local project funded, give him a call as it were?
 
glorygloryeze said:
Why was he not popular? Is it the actual fiscal policies he pursued or is it the apparent 'roosteryness' of saying to some of the MPs who supported him that if they want this bridge or that local project funded, give him a call as it were?
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He's not very good socially, he interfered with other Minister's policy areas, he has had a couple of embarrassing U-turns on issues that MPs have had to back him on before they were dropped and because for a long time he assumed that he would follow Cameron into No. 10 and he used the patronage from this to increase his power, lastly, he ran the remain campaign.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Why was he not popular? Is it the actual fiscal policies he pursued or is it the apparent 'roosteryness' of saying to some of the MPs who supported him that if they want this bridge or that local project funded, give him a call as it were?
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They don't tend to like communists in the Tory party.
 
Raziel said:
On paper that is a great idea, businesses should be left to do the right things re their employees, the environment and paying their taxes. unfortunately time and time again (especially large) businesses have shown that they cannot be trusted to ever do the right thing.

Whenever the government gives businesses an edge, a tax break, option to be more competitive in some way, business end up tax havening their money, paying their C-suite 10X, offshoring everything they can and having minimal positive impact within local area/country.

America has gone down that route (thanks to lobbying) and you end up in a situation where GE & 10 other household name companies pay less tax per year than I do, where Warren Buffet's admin pays more tax than he does and the pay inequality between executives and staff is the highest it has been since the era of Robber Barons.
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I'm not saying that government should never get involved in everything, just that they should stay out when market forces can do the job for them. There's no need to set a minimum wage, because living costs and wages are tied by the same economic mechanisms. If the average wage drops, then so does the cost of living, otherwise everyone is just selling products/services that nobody can afford.

This is especially so in an environment of nearly full employment. It's currently far harder to recruit good people than to find a good job. Too many people think that the job they're in should change to meet what they want. In the real world, leave a job if you don't want it and get the one you do want.
 
scaramanga said:
I'm not saying that government should never get involved in everything, just that they should stay out when market forces can do the job for them. There's no need to set a minimum wage, because living costs and wages are tied by the same economic mechanisms. If the average wage drops, then so does the cost of living, otherwise everyone is just selling products/services that nobody can afford.

This is especially so in an environment of nearly full employment. It's currently far harder to recruit good people than to find a good job. Too many people think that the job they're in should change to meet what they want. In the real world, leave a job if you don't want it and get the one you do want.
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First point is long discussion that I'm not sure enough data exists to validate, again so many companies have found ways to not even pay minimum wage, its a bit of safety net on acceptable behavior.

Second point I absolutely agree with, been hiring people for a decade into high level jobs and its a bitch, talent pool is way too small.
 
parklane1 said:
Well that phrase is a improvement on what the scare story phalanx were preaching before the vote.
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I don't wish to be harsh or have a go at you but how about we move on and you try not to keep digging at everything? There is an interesting discussion to be had on the current situation but I am finding hard to summon the enthusiasm to reply to your posts at the moment because you're not really bringing anything to the conversation.
 
milo said:
I don't wish to be harsh or have a go at you but how about we move on and you try not to keep digging at everything? There is an interesting discussion to be had on the current situation but I am finding hard to summon the enthusiasm to reply to your posts at the moment because you're not really bringing anything to the conversation.
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Well do you not find that phrase is interesting and means we can move forward without the doom and gloom? The only way we are going to progress with this situation is IF some stop bringing up the negative side of the result and look to move us forward?

What's done is done and it seems some still want to persist in looking at the possible negative sides of the vote rather then look forwards to the benefits we all want. I do not want to be harsh on you either mate but it is what it is and the future beckons.
 
parklane1 said:
Well do you not find that phrase is interesting and means we can move forward without the doom and gloom? The only way we are going to progress with this situation is IF some stop bringing up the negative side of the result and look to move us forward?

What's done is done and it seems some still want to persist in looking at the possible negative sides of the vote rather then look forwards to the benefits we all want. I do not want to be harsh on you either mate but it is what it is and the future beckons.
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Sorry I'm bored of your posts. I'm going to steer clear for a while.
 
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