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Politics, politics, politics

Because we are a far left country as you can tell by some of the views expressed by people in positions of power in different areas of life particularly universities and charities, which coincedently often rely on handouts from central government.

Get busy living or get busy dying. I.E. get out as soon as you can mate.

Love England for many reasons but hope to heaven my son emmigrates. I am oldish(behave yourself ladies) so I am not to bothered for me or for my future.

I thought it was mind boggling shocking what happened in Cologne, felt as sick as I did when those freaks set fire to the guy in the cage, I do not really do politics any more but some things just disgust me so much I still comment on them.
 
It's why Corbyn won't win the General Election, he just isn't left wing enough for our far-left country.

GHod* save the queen**.


*may not exist.


**may not be left wing, though does live in a very big council house.
 
The problem here is that if we all got together and did that the outcry would be about women's rights. What's different? A wrong is a wrong no matter who commits it.
 
So it seems like Cameron has started pulling open his cheeks for the EU already.

I initially believed he would get a decent deal for us but it sounds to me (without the benefit of translation by a legal expert) that we will have no veto and will only be able to slow, but not stop benefit payments.

In fact, all he seems to have left the room with is some kind of loose, undefined statement that the UK didn't want to be a part of "Ever Closer Union".

For the record, I'm very much pro EU membership, but this performance has me leaning further the other way than I ever have.
 
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Cameron is turning into a flip/flop man say one thing do another, I except that most MP's are the same buts its one change of direction to the other with him. Mind you some of us knew that would be his way. :)
 
parklane1 said:
Cameron is turning into a flip/flop man say one thing do another, I except that most MP's are the same buts its one change of direction to the other with him. Mind you some of us knew that would be his way. :)
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Don't get me wrong, whilst he's useless he's far better than the alternatives would/could have been
 
scaramanga said:
Don't get me wrong, whilst he's useless he's far better than the alternatives would/could have been
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Well as I have said earlier in the thread ( several times in fact) 99% of the whole political situation is full of sound bites, teeth whites and insincere people.
 
parklane1 said:
Well as I have said earlier in the thread ( several times in fact) 99% of the whole political situation is full of sound bites, teeth whites and insincere people.
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I don't have much time for politicians but I shouldn't complain. I very briefly delved into local politics and it turns out that honesty and our electoral system are not compatible.
 
scaramanga said:
So it seems like Cameron has started pulling open his cheeks for the EU already.

I initially believed he would get a decent deal for us but it sounds to me (without the benefit of translation by a legal expert) that we will have no veto and will only be able to slow, but not stop benefit payments.

In fact, all he seems to have left the room with is some kind of loose, undefined statement that the UK didn't want to be a part of "Ever Closer Union".

For the record, I'm very much pro EU membership, but this performance has me leaning further the other way than I ever have.
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Cameron believes in nothing and just likes being PM, so I wouldn't expect much from him in negotiating with the EU.
 
the dza said:
Cameron believes in nothing and just likes being PM, so I wouldn't expect much from him in negotiating with the EU.
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Before the election I'd have agreed.

Now he's in place and stepping down before the next election, I don't see any motive for that.
 
scaramanga said:
Before the election I'd have agreed.

Now he's in place and stepping down before the next election, I don't see any motive for that.
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Good point. At a guess, he wants to step down as leader of a united party, rather than get slung out of a divided one.
 
scaramanga said:
So it seems like Cameron has started pulling open his cheeks for the EU already.

I initially believed he would get a decent deal for us but it sounds to me (without the benefit of translation by a legal expert) that we will have no veto and will only be able to slow, but not stop benefit payments.

In fact, all he seems to have left the room with is some kind of loose, undefined statement that the UK didn't want to be a part of "Ever Closer Union".

For the record, I'm very much pro EU membership, but this performance has me leaning further the other way than I ever have.
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I think benefits for EU imigrants is a complete non-issue and is only on the table because the Tories have talked it up for several years when chasing cheap votes.

The vast majority of EU migrants come to the UK because it is relatively easy to get a job here, we are a largely tolerant and multi-cultural country with established communities from most countries and nearly everyone has English as a second language (or want to come here to learn it).

If it really is an issue (it isn't) then it can easily be sorted out domestically by limiting benefits until you have contributed x amount.
 
milo said:
I think benefits for EU imigrants is a complete non-issue and is only on the table because the Tories have talked it up for several years when chasing cheap votes.

The vast majority of EU migrants come to the UK because it is relatively easy to get a job here, we are a largely tolerant and multi-cultural country with established communities from most countries and nearly everyone has English as a second language (or want to come here to learn it).

If it really is an issue (it isn't) then it can easily be sorted out domestically by limiting benefits until you have contributed x amount.
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His idea of sorting it will actually end up costing more, which is par for the course for most ideas put forward by most political parties.

I will vote to leave the EU, as I am an old fashioned sort who like democracy and dislikes the shambles that is Brussels, the idea that we could ever reform it is so far fetched I would not even bother to entertain the notion. The are to many people on the gravy train who would not allow it to be reformed.

That said though on some issues UKIP talk some sense they present themselves in such a pathetic manner that they will lose the argument. The was a guy at my local farmers market with all the UKIP stuff on standing up shouting something about WW2. Now while I agree with them on that the EU is not the trading block that we signed up to, his sort of talk is just making matters worse.

Politics is a load of old bolney really and though despite myself I still read it sometimes, I would not trust any of them as showed by the link I did earlier, even the left who are meant to be naive but trustworthy are lying pieces of brick same as Farage Mr I would never tax evade(he was just did not think people would find out) bunch of see you next tuesdays
 
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