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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Lost Mango said:
Lot of what actually passes is non-manifesto. Unless it is headline promise be nroken most of the electorate wouldn"t even notice.
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It's the major stuff that matters but if he comes in and say gets rid of the triple lock and raises income tax then it's not a good look.

Anyway I still find it strange that he expects to just saunter in and walk on water, all feels a bit arrogant with these stories he wants in by x date expects Starmer to step aside by Monday etc. Needs a bit more scrutiny for me.
 
P.D. said:
I seem to be the only one who's irked that his coalition just expect Starmer to just walk away over the weekend to someone who's done none of the grifting in opposition and seems to think he's the returning king based on almost nothing. The whole thing is ridiculous, it feels like Johnson in reverse.
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Did you mean 'grifting' ? :)
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Did you mean 'grifting' ? :)
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Yeah but when I looked it up I didn't realise the official definition is financial fraud. I meant in the sense of getting something without putting in the hard yards to earn it, of course he's been the mayor but he's only coming back because he could be PM not because he wants to be in Westminster. He knows he's been rejected by the Labour members twice, falls down under scrutiny and wants a coronation without any of that.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Not if the new policies work. And renationalisation and taxing the wealthy and big business are also very popular
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In reality a wealth tax isn't workable though, most people don't have money sitting around - it's tied up in assets. It's just a soundbite and equalising things like capital gains tax will likely cost money in the long run as people adapt or sell up in advance of the rule coming in etc. Plenty of research about it.
 
P.D. said:
In reality a wealth tax isn't workable though, most people don't have money sitting around - it's tied up in assets. It's just a soundbite and equalising things like capital gains tax will likely cost money in the long run as people adapt or sell up in advance of the rule coming in etc. Plenty of research about it.
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By introducing fairness to taxation, we'd be fixing the inequality for generations to come, not making a quick cash grab
 
P.D. said:
Yeah but when I looked it up I didn't realise the official definition is financial fraud. I meant in the sense of getting something without putting in the hard yards to earn it, of course he's been the mayor but he's only coming back because he could be PM not because he wants to be in Westminster. He knows he's been rejected by the Labour members twice, falls down under scrutiny and wants a coronation without any of that.
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I was thinking you perhaps meant 'grafting'? .....but the pendulum in the political world has swung massively towards grifting than (any form) of grafting ....so, sadly, you'd be on safe ground with your observation:)
 
P.D. said:
In reality a wealth tax isn't workable though, most people don't have money sitting around - it's tied up in assets. It's just a soundbite and equalising things like capital gains tax will likely cost money in the long run as people adapt or sell up in advance of the rule coming in etc. Plenty of research about it.
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It's very easy to control the narrative around this ....when you're wealthy. That's what wealth gives you.

There's a disconnect between the very wealthy and society/humanity...it makes no sense to continually accumulate, there's no good reason.

There could easily be a system that is fairer, submissive to say otherwise.
 
P.D. said:
It's the major stuff that matters but if he comes in and say gets rid of the triple lock and raises income tax then it's not a good look.

Anyway I still find it strange that he expects to just saunter in and walk on water, all feels a bit arrogant with these stories he wants in by x date expects Starmer to step aside by Monday etc. Needs a bit more scrutiny for me.
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Don't disagreewith the sentiment and the need for scrutiny but as BoJo proved parliamentary custom does mot provide guard rails or democracy.
 
P.D. said:
It's the major stuff that matters but if he comes in and say gets rid of the triple lock and raises income tax then it's not a good look.

Anyway I still find it strange that he expects to just saunter in and walk on water, all feels a bit arrogant with these stories he wants in by x date expects Starmer to step aside by Monday etc. Needs a bit more scrutiny for me.
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Absolutely.

And if he does get the job he’ll be hamstrung by our Brexit fudged economy exactly the same as Starmer has been.

I think the whole thing is a mistake and that Starmer is exactly the kind of person we need as PM right now, he lives in the real world and doesn’t think he can bluster problems away.

The country needs to grow up and stop expecting anything to get fixed quickly or easily.
 
Baleforce said:
Absolutely.

And if he does get the job he’ll be hamstrung by our Brexit fudged economy exactly the same as Starmer has been.

I think the whole thing is a mistake and that Starmer is exactly the kind of person we need as PM right now, he lives in the real world and doesn’t think he can bluster problems away.

The country needs to grow up and stop expecting anything to get fixed quickly or easily.
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Unfortunately we are in the era of government by social media. It's why the country is - and will remain - a basket case.
 
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Interesting reading on the state of Reform.
It really has been bizarre how little we’ve seen/heard from Farage in the build-up to Makerfield (apart from trying to benefit from the Henry Nowak murder).
There is no way Farage could cope with the scrutiny of being PM (not that I believe he ever would be) and nor would he want to - far too much to give up.
 
P.D. said:
In reality a wealth tax isn't workable though, most people don't have money sitting around - it's tied up in assets. It's just a soundbite and equalising things like capital gains tax will likely cost money in the long run as people adapt or sell up in advance of the rule coming in etc. Plenty of research about it.
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a 2% tax on assets over £10mn is workable if it's done the right way and aimed at reducing wealth inequality. studies show the damage done to economies and societies by wealth inequality are an issue that need to be addressed.
 
les paul said:
a 2% tax on assets over £10mn is workable if it's done the right way and aimed at reducing wealth inequality. studies show the damage done to economies and societies by wealth inequality are an issue that need to be addressed.
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Exactly this. Inequality levels are far worse than in the Gilded Age. That is where we are now, and unless that is seen to be addressed, people will either disengage or turn to the likes of reform/restore and the promises of their snake oil salesmen.
 
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