Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[MartyFunkhouser]

Your not working class are you. Thats who we’ve been talking about.

Yeh so petrol, household fuel bills, food, basics.....all which have gone up and continue to rise because of the ongoing conflicts.

Its Iran thats pushed working class peoples basic bills up in the past 2 months, not illegals.

 

[robp135]

Yeh so petrol, household fuel bills, food, basics.....all which have gone up and continue to rise because of the ongoing conflicts.

Its Iran thats pushed parking class peoples basic bills up in the past 2 months, not illegals

Mass unenforced immigration has been an issue for 3 decades. Iran war has been an issue for 3 months. Thats the difference.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Mass unenforced immigration has been an issue for 3 decades. Iran war has been an issue for 3 months. Thats the difference.

And petrol/food costs have moved more in 3 months than nearly those 3 decades all told (beyond natural inflation)

I dont see the correlation between immigration and the price at the pumps and at the tills which impact people in the wallet.

I havent seen Ireland have to close roads because of fuel shortages in 30 years because of immigrants

Energy costs rising approx 60% and Food 40% since 2020 isnt about immigrants.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Your not working class are you. Thats who we’ve been talking about.

Almost everyone is working class now - teachers sleep in their cars, universities have replaced cafes with foodbanks for their staff and students. The middle class has been hollowed out by extreme neoliberalism

 

[robp135]

Almost everyone is working class now - teachers sleep in their cars, universities have replaced cafes with foodbanks for their staff and students. The middle class has been hollowed out by extreme neoliberalism

Sure. But Marty is not.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Sure. But Marty is not.

Based on the weird argument on here that millionaires are not well off on here the other day (I am not a millionaire) then I would argue I am.....

 

[robp135]

Based on the weird argument on here that millionaires are not well off on here the other day (I am not a millionaire) then I would argue I am.....

lol what was the arguement?

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

lol what was the arguement?

I am jesting, but there were comments about a million on paper not being much money or something....

 

[scaramanga]

Same with the Tories. They've lost the middle classes and the working classes they gained when they last won. It's hardly a Labour problem. It's a centrist problem.

The difference is, I think the Conservatives can win back votes when Reform are required to show fiscal ability.

The Labour voters they've won have never voted for a party on economic grounds, so are less likely to be pushed away.

If Labour can prove they're more reliable on immigration than Reform, then they can do the same. But nothing they've done so far would suggest they can.

 

[Baleforce]

the rhetoric breaks my heart, immigration is not a problem, cuts to spending on public services are the issue, it's just othering to cover up failures elsewhere

Labour's argument on immigration should be that it is a good thing and should be encouraged

 

[robp135]

I am jesting, but there were comments about a million on paper not being much money or something....

Tbf if someone is a net worth millionaire. £500k home paid off and £500k invested, no debt, they would need to live extreme frugally to not work. 30 years ago that person could retire and live very comfortably. But it is still a better position the 80% will retire in to
unfortunately.

 

[robp135]

the rhetoric breaks my heart, immigration is not a problem, cuts to spending on public services are the issue, it's just othering to cover up failures elsewhere

Labour's argument on immigration should be that it is a good thing and should be encouraged

You could quite easily get into a situation where this was the majority public sentiment. But Labour politicians and their core voters would not be prepared to do what’s needed to be done to get to that point.

 

[Gazza]

the rhetoric breaks my heart, immigration is not a problem, cuts to spending on public services are the issue, it's just othering to cover up failures elsewhere

Labour's argument on immigration should be that it is a good thing and should be encouraged

Immigration would be amazing if we could do what other countries are doing by allowing pathways for Doctors, engineers, people with good work ethic to come across when and where the country needed.

I think the uncontrolled, non vetting, hotels etc have all turned something that used to be positive into something people detest in general.

The government only have themselves to blame for this sentiment.

 

[robp135]

Immigration would be amazing if we could do what other countries are doing by allowing pathways for Doctors, engineers, people with good work ethic to come across when and where the country needed.

I think the uncontrolled, non vetting, hotels etc have all turned something that used to be positive into something people detest in general.

The government only have themselves to blame for this sentiment.

Yeh I see these arguements all the time about “the small boats is only 5% of immigrants” as if people shouldn’t be bothered by it. If anything it’s the opposite and those pro immigration should be looking to stop it because its what most of the anti immigrant sentiment.

The people that come here, don’t speak English, don’t assimilate, immediately claim benefits with no intention to work, no skills. Just stop letting them in and Reform wouldn’t even exist. And if that is only a small percentage it shouldn’t upset anyone to deport them.