Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[MartyFunkhouser]

What a world we sadly live in , i have lived a lot longer then most on here and lived and worked in lots of different countrys and come across several faiths and cultures.

My honest opinion [ for what its worth] is there are arseholes in all faiths, beliefs and cultures no matter what they do or not believe.

I usally stay away from these types of threads as they generally go round and round with everyone blaming this faith or that faith. Sad times.

You have nailed it though, something I have said on here for years.....there are people from all faiths and religions who want to live in peace and there are arseholes in all that ruin it for everyone. Everyone has them in equal portion.

I wish the arseholes would do one and leave the rest of us to live and let live in peace

 

[Glenda's Legs]

What a world we sadly live in , i have lived a lot longer then most on here and lived and worked in lots of different countrys and come across several faiths and cultures.

My honest opinion [ for what its worth] is there are arseholes in all faiths, beliefs and cultures no matter what they do or not believe.

I usally stay away from these types of threads as they generally go round and round with everyone blaming this faith or that faith. Sad times.

I don’t disagree with the sentiment at all but it’s generally just one faith that gets blamed, on here at least.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Denied he ever said anything, now its when he was a kid......make your mind up

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[Silly McSilly Face]

You don't know what Zionism is

I know more about it than i think you do.

 

[Lost Mango]

I know more about it than i think you do.

Well you labelled it a religious belief which is fundamentally wrong to start with.

There is a religious zionism subgrouping (in both Christian 'bring on Armageddon/the Rapture' thinking and within some jewish communities) but it is overall a ethnic socio-political ideology, not a religion.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I know more about it than i think you do.

Coming from Mr "you are more likely to be a rapist if......" i think thats likely not true

 

[parklane1]

I don’t disagree with the sentiment at all but it’s generally just one faith that gets blamed, on here at least.

Fair comment, however its everywhere and in daily life. Its always that religion/that culture/ that faith etc,etc. Folks of all races/religion calling out others. My GHod, my faith, my culture is better then yours is the cry. Like i say i do not have a opinion/stance on what is good or bad.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I don’t disagree with the sentiment at all but it’s generally just one faith that gets blamed, on here at least.

Those damn Presbyterians

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Well you labelled it a religious belief which is fundamentally wrong to start with.

There is a religious zionism subgrouping (in both Christian 'bring on Armageddon/the Rapture' thinking and within some jewish communities) but it is overall a ethnic socio-political ideology, not a religion.

It isn't fundamentally wrong to start with. I was brought up in a Catholic family being dragged to mass and sunday school every week and having the contents of the bible rammed down my throat every sodding day of my childhood and early teens. I am not religious these days but this sh*t is ingrained into me.

Abraham was promised a holy land, his grandson Jacob was renamed Israel and his descendents were the israelites who inherited the holy land of israel promised to them by GHod. Zion is Jerusalem. The holiest city in Israel. For the lord has chosen Zion says the bible.

The whole zionist movement is based on this religious text that GHod commanded the israelites to move and settle Israel and Zion which was promised to them as a place of safety on condition of obiedience.

 

[LutonSpurs]

It isn't fundamentally wrong to start with. I was brought up in a Catholic family being dragged to mass and sunday school every week and having the contents of the bible rammed down my throat every sodding day of my childhood and early teens. I am not religious these days but this sh*t is ingrained into me.

Abraham was promised a holy land, his grandson Jacob was renamed Israel and his descendents were the israelites who inherited the holy land of israel promised to them by GHod. Zion is Jerusalem. The holiest city in Israel. For the lord has chosen Zion says the bible.

The whole zionist movement is based on this religious text that GHod commanded the israelites to move and settle Israel and Zion which was promised to them as a place of safety on condition of obiedience.

Everyone knows this. But Zionism is a movement to create an ethnostate. That's it.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Everyone knows this. But Zionism is a movement to create an ethnostate. That's it.

Its a movement to create a safe state for the jewish people in their ancestial holy land of Israel. You say everyone knows what i have stated but you lot are arguing it isn't based on religious belief - it is.

 

[thfcsteff]

On what basis has there been ever increasing wealth inequality and if there has been, on what basis does that link to increased racism/anti-semitism etc?

Every so often, the average person realises they're being shafted economically. Cue a few 'stories' guiding people to believe that this is all because of immigration/refugees/PoC, as opposed to corporate tax loopholes, policy agendas set to favour big business, economic policies which ensure the first cuts usually affect ordinary people first via services, etc. Trickle down economics failing? It MUST be the fault of all those immigrants!!!

https://www.lse.ac.uk/research/rese...fit-the-rich-debunking-trickle-down-economics

Obviously there are nuances, and of course there needs to be reasonable control applied to immigration, but there can be little doubt that when a problem exacerbated by the very wealthy pops up, well, let's blame immigration and refugees first.

Tragically, anti-semitism has never really gone away.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Zack Polanski’s criticism of Golders Green attack arrest will have ‘chilling effect’, says Met chief | UK news | The Guardian https://share.google/yzNiG3AiCs1qkotEu

This is the thing about people like him and Corbyn. More focused on the rights and safety of terrorists and other dangerous nutjobs than on the people they are tryimg to hurt.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Every so often, the average person realises they're being shafted economically. Cue a few 'stories' guiding people to believe that this is all because of immigration/refugees/PoC, as opposed to corporate tax loopholes, policy agendas set to favour big business, economic policies which ensure the first cuts usually affect ordinary people first via services, etc. Trickle down economics failing? It MUST be the fault of all those immigrants!!!

https://www.lse.ac.uk/research/rese...fit-the-rich-debunking-trickle-down-economics

Obviously there are nuances, and of course there needs to be reasonable control applied to immigration, but there can be little doubt that when a problem exacerbated by the very wealthy pops up, well, let's blame immigration and refugees first.

Tragically, anti-semitism has never really gone away.

But this is the thing. All of this "problems exacerbated by the extremely wealthy", "policy agendas favouring big business"....it is lazy tropes that are just as poorly thought through as racism/anti-semitism.

Would you rather policy agendas didn't favour big business? Made it difficult to do big deala in this country? Taxed the hell out of big corporates? Made life difficult for them in this country? Then what would happen? We would just all be happily poorer together after all the jobs and investment have f*cked off elsewhere?

Cuts always impact ordinary people first via services? Yes, they do. As public services are provided by public funding so if public funding needs to be cut then yes, its the services that get cut. I will tell you what though, goimg after big business and the wealthy and making it unfavourable for them here will lead to one guaranteed outcome: a huge drop in public revenue.

What problems have the ultra wealthy actually caused? You are ranting about people just saying "its all their fault" directed at immigrants when are you not just doing the same at another demograhic?

 

[LutonSpurs]

Zack Polanski’s criticism of Golders Green attack arrest will have ‘chilling effect’, says Met chief | UK news | The Guardian https://share.google/yzNiG3AiCs1qkotEu

This is the thing about people like him and Corbyn. More focused on the rights and safety of terrorists and other dangerous nutjobs than on the people they are tryimg to hurt.

No they aren't. They are focused on equity and justice. How the eff is this an argument. Those officers went overboard as per their rules. That doesn't mean you can't find it edifying to see him get battered (I don't). Some people will.

 

[thfcsteff]

But this is the thing. All of this "problems exacerbated by the extremely wealthy", "policy agendas favouring big business"....it is lazy tropes that are just as poorly thought through as racism/anti-semitism.

I've lived 59 years on this planet, and I can tell you there is nothing 'lazy' or 'trope-like' about the things I am saying.

Do you really, really want to to get into a discussion of the fairness of CEO bonuses versus their 'performance' versus the people who actually do the work?
Do you really want to get into a discussion regarding the growth of wealth inequity globally and how it really ISN'T the fault of PoC?

And let me cut you off before you blast an insult my way, I am all for people being able to make whatever money they can and want to. I am not anti-wealth whatsoever. I have spent 40+ years working with people who are enormously wealthy in their field. What I am against is unfairness.
'Poorly thought tropes' eh?
Just one source here...there are others.

https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/#:~:text=Inequality has been on the,people living in extreme poverty.

Would you rather policy agendas didn't favour big business? Made it difficult to do big deala in this country? Taxed the hell out of big corporates? Made life difficult for them in this country? Then what would happen? We would just all be happily poorer together after all the jobs and investment have f*cked off elsewhere?

Of course not. That is why I said there are nuances to the discussion. The issue is that globally, the corporations and uber-wealthy have rigged a system whereby if they do not get enormous tax breaks then they pack their brick up and toddle off to somewhere which is even more favorable. It is a far greater issue than just Britain or the US, it is a global problem and we are in a cycle which (IMO) is approaching it's peak point.

Cuts always impact ordinary people first via services? Yes, they do. As public services are provided by public funding so if public funding needs to be cut then yes, its the services that get cut. I will tell you what though, goimg after big business and the wealthy and making it unfavourable for them here will lead to one guaranteed outcome: a huge drop in public revenue.

It isn't even about 'going after', it's about balancing and being fairer.
I am not naive, I understand that we are in a phase of accelerated and exceptionally aggressive capitalism that is dragging us to the very precipice of monopolies. Several corporations and wealth groups basically control everything. How did we get here. That's not a direct question BTW, it's a very broad and general one which I believe we could all answer pretty easily. And I'll tell you this mate, immigration and refugees are nowhere near the top reasons for inequity of wealth.

What problems have the ultra wealthy actually caused? You are ranting about people just saying "its all their fault" directed at immigrants when are you not just doing the same at another demograhic?

That cannot be a serious question.
If you are seriously asking me to explain this, then I fear we have reached the end of the conversation. Either that, or IF you have any GENUINE interest in seeking answers to the question, do some research (there are loads of answers, and BTW, you already agreed with one such example).

BTW, you might disagree with what I'm saying, but I do NOT 'rant' whatsoever in that reply.
You asked a question, I answered it, you clearly did not like or agree with the answer, and there we are. Life. I can accept that.
I would, however, ask that you please try to be a little less sensationalist/hubristic in such moments.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

No they aren't. They are focused on equity and justice. How the eff is this an argument. Those officers went overboard as per their rules. That doesn't mean you can't find it edifying to see him get battered (I don't). Some people will.

Guy had a knife he refused to drop. They aren't going overboard. They have a tazer, batons and spray against a knife and maybe more on his person its a really dangerous situation for them so they need to get him properly incapacitated

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

I've lived 59 years on this planet, and I can tell you there is nothing 'lazy' or 'trope-like' about the things I am saying.

Do you really, really want to to get into a discussion of the fairness of CEO bonuses versus their 'performance' versus the people who actually do the work?
Do you really want to get into a discussion regarding the growth of wealth inequity globally and how it really ISN'T the fault of PoC?

And let me cut you off before you blast an insult my way, I am all for people being able to make whatever money they can and want to. I am not anti-wealth whatsoever. I have spent 40+ years working with people who are enormously wealthy in their field. What I am against is unfairness.
'Poorly thought tropes' eh?
Just one source here...there are others.

https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/#:~:text=Inequality has been on the,people living in extreme poverty.




Of course not. That is why I said there are nuances to the discussion. The issue is that globally, the corporations and uber-wealthy have rigged a system whereby if they do not get enormous tax breaks then they pack their brick up and toddle off to somewhere which is even more favorable. It is a far greater issue than just Britain or the US, it is a global problem and we are in a cycle which (IMO) is approaching it's peak point.




It isn't even about 'going after', it's about balancing and being fairer.
I am not naive, I understand that we are in a phase of accelerated and exceptionally aggressive capitalism that is dragging us to the very precipice of monopolies. Several corporations and wealth groups basically control everything. How did we get here. That's not a direct question BTW, it's a very broad and general one which I believe we could all answer pretty easily. And I'll tell you this mate, immigration and refugees are nowhere near the top reasons for inequity of wealth.





That cannot be a serious question.
If you are seriously asking me to explain this, then I fear we have reached the end of the conversation. Either that, or IF you have any GENUINE interest in seeking answers to the question, do some research (there are loads of answers, and BTW, you already agreed with one such example).

BTW, you might disagree with what I'm saying, but I do NOT 'rant' whatsoever in that reply.
You asked a question, I answered it, you clearly did not like or agree with the answer, and there we are. Life. I can accept that.
I would, however, ask that you please try to be a little less sensationalist/hubristic in such moments.

But what problems have they actually caused? Name one.

 

[Lost Mango]

It isn't fundamentally wrong to start with. I was brought up in a Catholic family being dragged to mass and sunday school every week and having the contents of the bible rammed down my throat every sodding day of my childhood and early teens. I am not religious these days but this sh*t is ingrained into me.

Abraham was promised a holy land, his grandson Jacob was renamed Israel and his descendents were the israelites who inherited the holy land of israel promised to them by GHod. Zion is Jerusalem. The holiest city in Israel. For the lord has chosen Zion says the bible.

The whole zionist movement is based on this religious text that GHod commanded the israelites to move and settle Israel and Zion which was promised to them as a place of safety on condition of obiedience.

Likewise I was brought up in a(n Irish) Catholic family being dragged to mass and sunday school every week and having the contents of the bible rammed down my throat every sodding day of my childhood and early teens. I am not religious these days and have managed to clear my mind of any religious indoctrination. Not sure what the relevance of ay of that is?

The zionist movement was to create a safe space for the jewish people. It was not linked to a return to Israel initially. It was not about fulfilling a promise. They looked at a myriad of countries globally (Argentina, Madagascar etc) before the concept of colonising Palestine solidified.

There is a small part of the Zionist movement who do it/did it for the religious matters you link to (as I said in my original post) but the majority of the leadership from the get go were focused on an ethnostate not a theocratic state. Apparently up until the Second World war the majority of orthodox Jews were against a return to Palestine as it was against the religious belief that only GHod could reunite the faith in 'Israel'.

 

[thfcsteff]

But what problems have they actually caused? Name one.

You don't read my replies do you...