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Gutter Boy said:
The groupthink that has created the most successful and enduring broadcaster in global history?
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The recent groupthink is in danger of destroying that most successful and enduring broadcaster in global history. Unless the BBC genuinely accept this and do something about it we may well no longer have a state broadcaster in the next decade or two.
 
LutonSpurs said:
For the person who pays taxes and can afford the kids and then their circumstances change and they can't afford it, you think their kids should go hungry. Cool.
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Sorry but I've just always been somebody who believes a person should pay their own way.

It would be an interesting stat to see how many of those with more than two children having their income supported by the government were once not having their income supported by the government only for their circumstances to change.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Sorry but I've just always been somebody who believes a person should pay their own way.

It would be an interesting stat to see how many of those with more than two children having their income supported by the government were once not having their income supported by the government only for their circumstances to change.
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They have paid their own way with taxes. And things change. These people matter even though you don't think they do evidently.

I know people who have been hurt by the interest rate hikes and have ended up in foodbanks. They are my responsibility as they have contributed to the same system I have. And they deserve welfare.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Personally I think there is a need to have a tax-funded state broadcaster. The issue is that the tax-funded state broadcaster has to be balanced and uphold the highest standards of journalism. Those that have brought this recent shame on the BBC should hang their heads in shame, by doing this they threaten the very existence of something that should be cherished.
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I can't see that need. I don't see what it accomplishes. Far better content is made by independent subscription services with a hell of a lot less noncing involved.
 
LutonSpurs said:
They have paid their own way with taxes. And things change. These people matter even though you don't think they do evidently.

I know people who have been hurt by the interest rate hikes and have ended up in foodbanks. They are my responsibility as they have contributed to the same system I have. And they deserve welfare.
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They are not your responsibility. If people have taken on debt while interest rates were at historic low levels and not made provision for interest rates to go up to normal levels again then that is poor choice made by them, not you.

I have no idea on what rate tax payer you are. However, unless a person is a higher rate tax payer then they probably aren't actually funding those people on wellfare, they are probably only funding themselves.
 
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Finney Is Back said:
They are not your responsibility. If people have taken on debt while interest rates were at historic low levels and not made provision for interest rates to go up to normal levels again then that is poor choice made by them, not you.

I have no idea on what rate tax payer you are. However, unless you are a higher rate tax payer then you probably aren't actually funding those people on wellfare, you are probably only funding yourself.
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I think the break even point is in the low £30ks to be a net contributor. I'd imagine most people here are unless they have dependents.

That's the nuance of the immigration argument that isn't being discussed. As a capitalist, I think labour should be free to move across borders like any other commodity. I also believe that, in general, any individual migrant is likely to work and to benefit the country. But if that person is from a religion or culture where women aren't allowed to work, it's almost impossible for them to ever become a net contributor.
 
scaramanga said:
I think the break even point is in the low £30ks to be a net contributor. I'd imagine most people here are unless they have dependents.

That's the nuance of the immigration argument that isn't being discussed. As a capitalist, I think labour should be free to move across borders like any other commodity. I also believe that, in general, any individual migrant is likely to work and to benefit the country. But if that person is from a religion or culture where women aren't allowed to work, it's almost impossible for them to ever become a net contributor.
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I don't know the exact figure. I read somewhere that each person costs the government £17k a year. You'd have to earn around £65k to pay that much in tax and NI.

This is a little old but halfway down shows that 53% are net recipients: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ctsoftaxesandbenefitsonhouseholdincome/latest
 
Finney Is Back said:
They are not your responsibility. If people have taken on debt while interest rates were at historic low levels and not made provision for interest rates to go up to normal levels again then that is poor choice made by them, not you.

I have no idea on what rate tax payer you are. However, unless a person is a higher rate tax payer then they probably aren't actually funding those people on wellfare, they are probably only funding themselves.
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I'm pretty sure I do contribute to that level and I'm super privileged to be in this position. And I'd much rather my taxes funded welfare than some of the other rubbish they waste money on. And I'm not talking about people who are scamming. I'm talking about people working full time and raising kids and not having enough to eat or heat at the same time. Those people deserve to have welfare to get them a good standard of living. They contribute to our economy in terms of time as much as anybody else. They are my responsibility.
 
scaramanga said:
I think the break even point is in the low £30ks to be a net contributor. I'd imagine most people here are unless they have dependents.

That's the nuance of the immigration argument that isn't being discussed. As a capitalist, I think labour should be free to move across borders like any other commodity. I also believe that, in general, any individual migrant is likely to work and to benefit the country. But if that person is from a religion or culture where women aren't allowed to work, it's almost impossible for them to ever become a net contributor.
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Well the capitalist western world has created that situation for themselves.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I'm pretty sure I do contribute to that level and I'm super privileged to be in this position. And I'd much rather my taxes funded welfare than some of the other rubbish they waste money on. And I'm not talking about people who are scamming. I'm talking about people working full time and raising kids and not having enough to eat or heat at the same time. Those people deserve to have welfare to get them a good standard of living. They contribute to our economy in terms of time as much as anybody else. They are my responsibility.
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Its a psychology of money thing mate.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I'm pretty sure I do contribute to that level and I'm super privileged to be in this position. And I'd much rather my taxes funded welfare than some of the other rubbish they waste money on. And I'm not talking about people who are scamming. I'm talking about people working full time and raising kids and not having enough to eat or heat at the same time. Those people deserve to have welfare to get them a good standard of living. They contribute to our economy in terms of time as much as anybody else. They are my responsibility.
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Like subsidising Centrica and EON to drill dinosaurs, Thames Water to pour brick into rivers, BAE Systems' weapons to genocide Gaza or Andrew Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's palaces.
 
scaramanga said:
I think the break even point is in the low £30ks to be a net contributor. I'd imagine most people here are unless they have dependents.

That's the nuance of the immigration argument that isn't being discussed. As a capitalist, I think labour should be free to move across borders like any other commodity. I also believe that, in general, any individual migrant is likely to work and to benefit the country. But if that person is from a religion or culture where women aren't allowed to work, it's almost impossible for them to ever become a net contributor.
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Or even socially aware. What a dismal life sitting around at home pumping out kids, teaching them the same crap and then expecting to have a voice in society that they don’t contribute to rather burden.

I think if there is any benefit system in place you should get our what you put in, if you come under hardship in levels. Not just here you go have the same or more just because you know that you can claim more for having more kids.
 
LutonSpurs said:
I would guarantee that 90% of the people opining this desire have no idea what the ECHR is.
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All linked to their idea it solves the boat crisis.

Sod that its the backstop for human rights we all have major access to as a society, or that it helps protect all minorities when society is poisoned and turned against them, yeh lets get rid
 
I'm just going to say this regarding welfare.
IF you purport to be a civilised society, then you should support the concept of society! Basics - access to affordable housing, food, utilities, healthcare and education.
Does that mean that every single person is a shining example? No. There will always be a percentage of people who are not especially decent, hard-working, or morally balanced (strangely, that percentage is not simply made up of poor unemployed people - fancy that!)...I'm not going to get into the reasons for financial hardship, metc, needless to say I believe they're largely down to many factors other than 'laziness' or 'sitting around popping kids out and expecting things to be handed over'.
I find the demonisation of the poor, or those struggling to make ends meet appalling. The sheer weight of assumption thrown at these people is staggering. The sheer volume of witless perception is breathtaking.
The next time you see someone begging, think how hard a hit that person's dignity has taken to reach that point.
 
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