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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Silly McSilly Face said:
Secularism refers to a separation of religion from the state and something that is reserved for private matters. It isn't a reflection on how religious or observant a country is. "No religion" is the majority choice on census forms in the UK, but the same parents will actively participate in an annual nativity at school, whereas in a country that practices secularism the idea of a state school holding a religious celebration would likely raise the hackles.
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We definitely need to nationalise church landholdings, abolish religious schools, and boot the priests out parliament
 
glasgowspur said:
Nativity plays are a tradition, for most they have lost their original message and are now little more than a touchstone to their own childhood.
As could be said for most of the Christmas and Easter rituals.
The most important family in these traditions are your own, not the holy one, most people have come to realise that.
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The point is a culture and country based on secularism wouldn't tolerate thise rituals in a state school setting. The British have never been secular culturally or constitutionally.
 
LutonSpurs said:
So a feeling has developed that flying the flag has been frowned upon. And this is a protest against the feeling which has come from the odd anecdote. Also probably clever incitement by the very people who made Brexit vote a success. Sounds like an absolutely ridiculously childish reaction to something which isn't really a thing. But paint away lol.
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Its a human reaction. You can label it childish if you want.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Between 11 and 14 is the estimate
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No that's the estimate of her age of betrothal to Joseph and that is simply down to the age at which most Jewish girls would be betrothed during that time period. The most likely age of the pregnancy/birth is given as between 15-16, again because that is simply a common age for mothers to conceive/give birth to their first child at that time. But fundamentally we don't know as her age is never recorded.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
No that's the estimate of her age of betrothal to Joseph and that is simply down to the age at which most Jewish girls would be betrothed during that time period. The most likely age of the pregnancy/birth is given as between 15-16, again because that is simply a common age for mothers to conceive/give birth to their first child at that time. But fundamentally we don't know as her age is never recorded.
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That's before we even get onto the issue of her giving no consent to the act. Or rape you could say
 
Gutter Boy said:
Atheist, with lingering but waning stockholm syndrome

The war generation were the last christian generation. Boomers were the ones who rebelled with their secularism. And to all the generations who have come since, middle eastern folk stories are about as relevant as those of Zeus and Jupiter
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No later. It died with TV and the pill.
 
Gutter Boy said:
That's before we even get onto the issue of her giving no consent to the act. Or rape you could say
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Well interestingly Augustus Caesar, who was the Roman Emperor at the time actually introduced the firsr concept of rape or sexual assault as a serious criminal offence as part of the Lex Lulia, the specific offence was "stuprum cum vi" which translates as "sexual criminal act with force" and carried the death penalty or exile.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
No that's the estimate of her age of betrothal to Joseph and that is simply down to the age at which most Jewish girls would be betrothed during that time period. The most likely age of the pregnancy/birth is given as between 15-16, again because that is simply a common age for mothers to conceive/give birth to their first child at that time. But fundamentally we don't know as her age is never recorded.
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But they were only betrothed at the time not married (according to bible) so 11 to 14 is still the time frame.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Well interestingly Augustus Caesar, who was the Roman Emperor at the time actually introduced the firsr concept of rape or sexual assault as a serious criminal offence as part of the Lex Lulia, the specific offence was "stuprum cum vi" which translates as "sexual criminal act with force" and carried the death penalty or exile.
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What's the statue of limitation for a prosecution against GHod then? Or wasnt that a billy connolly film?
 
Lost Mango said:
But they were only betrothed at the time not married (according to bible) so 11 to 14 is still the time frame.
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Nobody knows for sure. Most historians speculate higher than that and it is fairly unlikely that an 11/12 year old would successfully give birth without complications that would be fatal without modern medicine. Most historians settle on 14-17 as being the most likely range but again thats not based on anything other than common practice in Judaism at the time.
 
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