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Baleforce said:
she's been able to voice that opinion, repeatedly, its all over the internet, Elon Musk is a big fan of her thoughts incidentally...

I'm not comfortable with the death threats, but her words, amplified though others, will have caused untold distress and pain to many trans people, some of whom will sadly have committed suicide

she's destroyed her legacy herself, by her abhorrent beliefs and behaviour

here is a quick refresher on her opinions by the way, its worth a read, but will take a while, https://theweek.com/feature/1020838/jk-rowlings-transphobia-controversy-a-complete-timeline
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Much of what she has been saying for years has now been backed medically (the Cass Report) and legally (the recent Supreme Court judgment). So there is a strong argument that she - and others like Graham Linehan - were absolutely right to voice a strong alternative opinion.

It’s obviously a highly complex issue, but imo it’s been dreadfully handled by many of the more radical voices in the trans community, and by organisations like Stonewall. They’ve done trans rights (which any right-minded person will obviously want to see respected) no favours.
 
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Mikey10 said:
Much of what she has been saying for years has now been backed medically (the Cass Report) and legally (the recent Supreme Court judgment). So there is a strong argument that she - and others like Graham Linehan - were absolutely right to voice a strong alternative opinion.

It’s obviously a highly complex issue, but imo it’s been dreadfully handled by many of the more radical voices in the trans community, and by organisations like Stonewall. They’ve done trans rights (which any right-minded person will obviously want to see protected) no favours.
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Fair enough

I think the recent Supreme Court judgement is a disgrace and far more women will suffer because of it
 
Baleforce said:
Fair enough

I think the recent Supreme Court judgement is a disgrace and far more women will suffer because of it
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I’m not sure it will cause women to suffer. In what way?

Hopefully the dial is turned down on the heat in the debate now - although these placards from last week’s protest following the ruling suggest there is a way to go on that, on one side at least.

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Mikey10 said:
I’m not sure it will cause women to suffer. In what way?

Hopefully the dial is turned down on the heat in the debate now - although these placards from last week’s protest following the ruling suggest there is a way to go on that, on one side at least.

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There is now a whole group of women being treated in a different way, in some cases not even allowed to use the women’s bathroom.
 
Baleforce said:
There is now a whole group of women being treated in a different way, in some cases not even allowed to use the women’s bathroom.
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The whole trans issue is not really on my radar and I don't have a "side" in it. But the other day at Victoria station, my leg was having trouble bending, I live with a chronic health condition. I used the disabled toilet.

I'm not classing being trans as a disability but to say they will not be able to use a toilet seems far fetched to me.

Have a far bit of sympathy for the the LGBTQ lot. Spent lots of years living around Brighton and there a great community. We have some gay friends. Someone beeing born in the wrong body does sympathy.

I just feel the are quite a few who if anyone has a difference of opinion they try to demonise them. I agree have not heard of incidents of women being attacked by trans people in toilets but taking women's concerns over safety seriously when women have so often been mistreated through history is not exactly a bad thing.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
The whole trans issue is not really on my radar and I don't have a "side" in it. But the other day at Victoria station, my leg was having trouble bending, I live with a chronic health condition. I used the disabled toilet.

I'm not classing being trans as a disability but to say they will not be able to use a toilet seems far fetched to me.

Have a far bit of sympathy for the the LGBTQ lot. Spent lots of years living around Brighton and there a great community. We have some gay friends. Someone beeing born in the wrong body does sympathy.

I just feel the are quite a few who if anyone has a difference of opinion they try to demonise them. I agree have not heard of incidents of women being attacked by trans people in toilets but taking women's concerns over safety seriously when women have so often been mistreated through history is not exactly a bad thing.
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I have to say the toilet situation is one where I think its been weaponised beyond the reality at times.

Working in hospitality its long been the norm that many places, even before the gender argument have anywhere between 10-12 single use multi gender toilets, there are loads of logistical ways round there things
 
Grays_1890 said:
I have to say the toilet situation is one where I think its been weaponised beyond the reality at times.

Working in hospitality its long been the norm that many places, even before the gender argument have anywhere between 10-12 single use multi gender toilets, there are loads of logistical ways round there things
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Yep the old vic theatre do as well.

Point is they are not stopping anyone using a toilet safely.
 
www.telegraph.co.uk

Britain and EU to sign anti-Trump political declaration

Document to mark Sir Keir Starmer’s reset in relations with Brussels is most significant political declaration on Europe since Brexit
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On the Paris agreement side of this political declaration I think it would be wrong to tie the UK to these commitments on the basis that it is solely right-wing disruptors like Trump that are opposed to it. Consensus on climate change priorities is shifting and the Tony Blair foundation has just published a paper calling current net zero and climate policies into question- claiming they are flawed and losing widespread public support as a result.

They suggest focusing on carbon capture technology and AI powered solutions as well as targeting measures at China and India to reduce emissions.

I think the government and EU are behind the curve on thus. The Paris agreement was based on data and reality that was already outdated by several years when it was signed.
 
Tony Blair is a clam and generally wrong on every single issue.

Carbon capture has never worked and is just Big Oil's version of 'light' cigarettes. And AI is already burning about as many trees a day on its own as aviation does.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Tony Blair is a clam and generally wrong on every single issue.

Carbon capture has never worked and is just Big Oil's version of 'light' cigarettes. And AI is already burning about as many trees a day on its own as aviation does.
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Carbon capture has never worked is the same as "flying machines have never worked" before the Wright brothers.

Blair isn't wrong on the crux of the issue: green policies are becoming increasingly unpopular in Europe as they are placing a huge burden in cost and forced lifestyle adjustments on ordinary citizens and businesses for an emissions reduction that will ultimately be meaningless in the face of continued huge emissions by India, China etc. If you continue down the current path you're just going to anger people into voting for people like Trump and then you may as well throw the whole thing in the bin.

Tony Blair was pretty much always right when it came to reading the room as far as the general public are concerned. Whatever you think about him, he won 3 elections with huge majorities.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Carbon capture has never worked is the same as "flying machines have never worked" before the Wright brothers.

Blair isn't wrong on the crux of the issue: green policies are becoming increasingly unpopular in Europe as they are placing a huge burden in cost and forced lifestyle adjustments on ordinary citizens and businesses for an emissions reduction that will ultimately be meaningless in the face of continued huge emissions by India, China etc. If you continue down the current path you're just going to anger people into voting for people like Trump and then you may as well throw the whole thing in the bin.

Tony Blair was pretty much always right when it came to reading the room as far as the general public are concerned. Whatever you think about him, he won 3 elections with huge majorities.
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Pulling back from green policies now would be just like appeasing the germans after we'd won the battle of britain. Most of the work is done, we just need to kick for home. Our emissions are half what they used to be and half our power is now clean.

We just need to knuckle down, finish the job this next decade, and we can have clean, cheap, secure and domestically owned power for ever more. A few more wind farms and the roll out of solid state car batteries, and everyone is laughing.

Blair has just gone from being Thatcher's bitch to Farage's bitch. Whilst physically morphing into Zelda from the Terrahawks
 
Gutter Boy said:
Pulling back from green policies now would be just like appeasing the germans after we'd won the battle of britain. Most of the work is done, we just need to kick for home. Our emissions are half what they used to be and half our power is now clean.

We just need to knuckle down, finish the job this next decade, and we can have clean, cheap, secure and domestically owned power for ever more. A few more wind farms and the roll out of solid state car batteries, and everyone is laughing.

Blair has just gone from being Thatcher's bitch to Farage's bitch. Whilst physically morphing into Zelda from the Terrahawks
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But that's the point. Most of the work isn't done. I've gone over this before but "net zero" is a complete con.

"Oh we are green because we don't use fossil fuels, we just import the components for our solar and wind farms from China and India who are turning the sky black to make them...."

"You've got to spend £15K on a heat pump boiler that won't heat a hot bath in winter and is manufactured using fossil. It'll probably break in 5 years but don't worry, we'll make you another one while filling the sky with smog...."

The policies as per Tony Blair are not only unpopular, but they're not even effective at impacting on climate change. As Greta said, it's false accounting.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Tony Blair is a clam and generally wrong on every single issue.

Carbon capture has never worked and is just Big Oil's version of 'light' cigarettes. And AI is already burning about as many trees a day on its own as aviation does.
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Blair is just a paid shill for the FF industry. Carbon capture at scale is impossible for the quantities or carbon we are chucking out.
Net zero is another such distraction that has unfortunately taken root.
 
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