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EnfieldSpur said:
"2) Prison population by religion (as an overall look at how law abiding the followers of the religion of Peace are). 16% of prison population, 4% of the population." - Is what I said. Highlighting the fact that followers of the religion of peace are more likely to be criminal scumbags, than any other religion.

Proportionately carried out by white folk? Where did you get the figures for this? As I already pointed out, the ethnicity data of 30% of sentenced offenders have not been included in the figures you provided. That is a significant number offenders that have been ommited, thus, you can not draw any conclusion from it, due to severity of the amount of data that has been "smudged," for the lack of a better term.

So you, like most guardian readers, are basing your opinons on falsified data. Yes, not including nearly 30% of the data available, is falsified data. And this nearly 30%, potentially accounts for 100's, if not, 1000's of offenders, regarding CSE and Sexual Offences in general (29% ommited).
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So, firstly - ethnicity and religion are not mandatory to be disclosed.
(I work in stats for MoJ, and also have a public appointee role in a prison)

Re; the stats
@Grays_1890 adding you too

Use these instead of the Daily Mail. This is an accurate picture of the current state of the Prison Population.


I've only had a quick flick through the back and forth from you both - but be careful not to conflate ethnicity and religion. Muslim doesn't equal brown. You'll see there is a high volume of Albanian nations in prison - Albania is a predominantly Muslim country, but also predominantly white.

Right, that's enough from me - I'll let you two bicker over some more accurate data 😆
 
EnfieldSpur said:
"2) Prison population by religion (as an overall look at how law abiding the followers of the religion of Peace are). 16% of prison population, 4% of the population." - Is what I said. Highlighting the fact that followers of the religion of peace are more likelyyy to be criminal scumbags, than any other religion.

Proportionately carried out by white folk? Where did you get the figures for this? As I already pointed out, the ethnicity data of 30% of sentenced offenders have not been included in the figures you provided. That is a significant number offenders that have been ommited, thus, you can not draw any conclusion from it, due to severity of the amount of data that has been "smudged," for the lack of a better term.

So you, like most guardian readers, are basing your opinons on falsified data. Yes, not including nearly 30% of the data available, is falsified data. And this nearly 30%, potentially accounts for 100's, if not, 1000's of offenders, regarding CSE and Sexual Offences in general (29% ommited).
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You signed up on a Spurs forum account just to spout prejudicial gonads? What a hero you are!
 
monkeybarry said:
So, firstly - ethnicity and religion are not mandatory to be disclosed.
(I work in stats for MoJ, and also have a public appointee role in a prison)

Re; the stats
@Grays_1890 adding you too

Use these instead of the Daily Mail. This is an accurate picture of the current state of the Prison Population.


I've only had a quick flick through the back and forth from you both - but be careful not to conflate ethnicity and religion. Muslim doesn't equal brown. You'll see there is a high volume of Albanian nations in prison - Albania is a predominantly Muslim country, but also predominantly white.

Right, that's enough from me - I'll let you two bicker over some more accurate data 😆
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Hahah cheers mate, you are endorsing my point exactly, religion and skin colour are not the same, many people in prison who are Asian and or black will be non religious and British, or even Christian. There alot the stats won't tell us.

I am done on the subject anyway, its clear this country has a sexual abuse issue across all communities, religions and skin colours, if people want to jump up and down and blame the Asians for something thats factually happening around them in their own community, thats up to them.
 
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I have to laugh at the Right Wing element in this country. Once supporters of Farage and Anderson they have decided to follow their noses for the more extreme views and decided to align with Lowe, now calling out Farage and Anderson for not being Right Wing enough. How much of a cnut do you have to be to be not only that confused but also hateful about people.
 
EnfieldSpur said:
Right... But you still have the problem of ethnicity not being recoded. So smudged figures again.

British born when it comes to nationality doesn't mean white.

So what exactly is more accurate about your figures?

When the data you use has the same flaws as everyone else?
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The figures I have posted (they are not "my" figures. They are the official figures of the Nation) are just that - statistical reporting.
I haven't said they are more/less accurate - I haven't done a critical analysis Vs the Daily Mail figures. I have posted them as a clear picture, devoid of media bias.

What do you mean by "smudged"?
They are not smudged. Most data sets you come across have a "known unknown" rate - that's why it's stated in the report as "not recorded"; that's just data transparency. It's not a flaw in the data, it's a part of the data that is treated differently because of its incompleteness.

As stated, Ethnicity is not required to be disclosed. And it will only be loosely used in any intelligence gathering because it is such a broad term, so very unreliable intellectually. (Example - let's assume you are White - British; I am also White - British. Our characteristics are significantly different, however we'd be lumped into the same Ethnic category. That makes it a pretty useless measure of action/intent etc for you and I. Crime prevention intelligence is somewhat more advanced and nuanced than such blunt metrics)
 
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EnfieldSpur said:
How can being factually correct, be prejudiced bollox?

4% of the population accounts for 16% of the prison population. I have already provided the figures in a previous post.

Fact: Muslims are more likely to be criminal scumbags than any other religion.

More likely to form grooming gangs to *struggle cuddle* kids, and more like to commit sexual offenses "if" the figures printed in the press are true.

And as we know, nearly 30% of sex offenders ethnicity hasn't been recorded. I wonder why?

But according to you, facts are prejudice bollox.
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Some vile stuff in that post. Hopefully the mods will do the necessary but then you’ll no doubt be back under another user name spouting the same racist rhetoric.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
Some vile stuff in that post. Hopefully the mods will do the necessary but then you’ll no doubt be back under another user name spouting the same racist rhetoric.
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Grays_1890 said:
Supports a football club who are one of the most and based in one of the most culturally diverse areas of the country. Shameful that our support contains w4nkers like this
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Would agree with both of you, its true what they say [ empty vessels make the most noise] and he/she fits that description.
 
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